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The one thing that seems to get overlooked on the whole Montreal incident : I don't ever really recall hearing from Steve Austin about the whole situation. He was there that night. Maybe his book touched on it briefly but I can't say I've heard talk about it in depth? Yet, who benefited the most from the screw job (long term) with Bret gone and Vince turning Heel? Ol' Cold Stones himself.
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If you believe the story, Cornette simply said "why don't you just screw him?" and Vince took that suggestion and ran with it

So technically yeah it was Cornette's idea in that he was the first one to say out loud just screw Bret, but Cornette didn't come up with the way it happened I don't think

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The one thing that seems to get overlooked on the whole Montreal incident : I don't ever really recall hearing from Steve Austin about the whole situation. He was there that night. Maybe his book touched on it briefly but I can't say I've heard talk about it in depth? Yet, who benefited the most from the screw job (long term) with Bret gone and Vince turning Heel? Ol' Cold Stones himself.
Austin did talk about it and described what he saw, but the situation was so chaotic backstage that he didn't really go into too much detail. He was definitely worried that the backlash might have negatively affected the company. I believe he went and spoke to Vince the day after and expressed his concerns and Vince just told him that they had to keep going down the direction they had committed to.

I don't think it was any bigger conspiracy that involved Austin getting pushed to the top, which was inevitable after he turned face anyways. Bret himself said he would gladly put Austin over for the title if asked.
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This is why I've never believed it was a work; because Bret hated Shawn so much at that point and was so frustrated with the lack of respect he was getting that even if Vince went to him and laid out a finish that happened exactly as it did, I STILL think Bret would have been unwilling to do it. He wanted absolutely nothing to do with losing to him, no matter how it happened. Not to mention how much of a risk it would be to bring it to Bret not knowing for sure that he'd say yes. Because if he does say no, then what? You've openly laid out your plan to screw him.

And this isn't even getting into the fact that he punched Vince in the face and broke his wrist.

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It wasn't a work but it should have been.

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The one thing that seems to get overlooked on the whole Montreal incident : I don't ever really recall hearing from Steve Austin about the whole situation. He was there that night. Maybe his book touched on it briefly but I can't say I've heard talk about it in depth? Yet, who benefited the most from the screw job (long term) with Bret gone and Vince turning Heel? Ol' Cold Stones himself.
If it was a work, why would Austin be let in on it? Even if Vince planned on creating the Mr McMahon character afterwards on the back of it - they still wouldn't need to let him know.

In addition to this; Austin was wrestling Owen Hart earlier on the card (a Canadian who didn't mind losing his title on home soil ). That's even less reason for him to find out.

Even when Austin's career picked up he didn't get involved in other wrestler's feuds positively or negatively, so I doubt he'd even want any part in it.

If it was a work, I'm not sure why Bret would be so committed to being bitter over it. He's been complaining about HHH persistently for 20 years, whether it's Hunter having a rating one point higher in a WWE game or badmouthing him in the last page of his book. It just strikes me as a bit over the top.

In hindsight it'd have been better for all parties if Bret did the job and quietly. He'd have looked far better leaving with his head held high as the type of person for other talent to aim for and the example to follow. He probably wouldn't have carried such bitterness over to WCW and it may have worked better. Criticise the booking there all you want, but Bret deserves full blame for poorer quality ring work and more subdued performances on the stick


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Cornette confirmed it was his idea.
Cornette was just playing it up for Dark Side of the Ring. 10 years ago on a shoot interview on the year 1997 (highly recommended btw), he mentioned that he blurted out "why don't you just doublecross his ass?" And Russo acted with shock at the idea of a screwjob.



I still believe it was a work, but if it was a shoot Vince was 100% the reason why it happened.


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I'm confused how this means it was a shoot. We all know someone in creative had to suggest a screwjob that doesn't mean Vince couldn't call Bret up and turn into a work.

I do agree with the guy who said it's unlikely because informing Bret removes the element of surprise should he had said no dice.

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It wasn't a work or a shoot. The whole thing was an accident.

They needed the title off Bret, so he didn't take it to WCW with him.

If Bret knew about it, why did he take so long to work for WWE? Why is he still bitter now? Why was he apparently so hard to work with? Why didn't he stay with WWE instead of joining WCW.
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It wasn't a work or a shoot. The whole thing was an accident.

They needed the title off Bret, so he didn't take it to WCW with him.

If Bret knew about it, why did he take so long to work for WWE? Why is he still bitter now? Why was he apparently so hard to work with? Why didn't he stay with WWE instead of joining WCW.
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