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WCW Brand Split 1998

So as we know there was a plan for NWO Nitro and WCW Thunder in 1998. Do you think this would have worked well?

Nitro

Hollywood Hogan
Randy Savage
Sting
Ric Flair
Roddy Piper
Lex Luger
The Giant
Curt Hennig
Konnan

The Outsiders
The Steiner Brothers
Harlem Heat
The Faces of Fear (Meng/Barbarian)
Public Enemy
Vicious & Delicious (Bagwell/Norton)
Mortis & Wrath
The Windham Brothers

Syxx
Chris Jericho
Dean Malenko
Rey Mysterio Jr.
Ultimo Dragon
La Parka
Psychosis
Juventud Guerrera
Magnum Tokyo
Silver King
El Dandy
Super Calo
Louie Spicolli
Yuji Nagata
Kaz Hayashi

Thunder

Bret Hart
Davey Boy Smith
Chris Benoit
Raven
DDP
Goldberg
Ray Traylor
Steve McMichael
Ernest Miller
Jerry Flynn

Blitzkrieg/Glacier
Damien/Ciclope
The Armstrong Brothers
The Destruction Crew (Enos/Bloom)
Villano IV/Villano V
Disorderly Conduct (Mean Mike/Tough Tom)

Steven Regal
Eddie Guerrero
Perry Saturn
Fit Finlay
Bobby Eaton
Alex Wright
Jim Duggan
Hugh Morrus
Norman Smiley
Marty Jannetty
Rick Martel
Disco Inferno
Chavo Guerrero Jr
Prince Iaukea
Johnny Swinger
Dave Taylor
Lash LeRoux
Hammer
Riggs
Sick Boy
Reese
Barry Horowitz
Barry Darsow
Craig Pittman
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Re: WCW Brand Split 1998

Nitro

nWo
Hollywood Hulk Hogan
The Giant
Scott Hall
Scott Norton
Buff Bagwell
Curt Hennig
Kevin Nash
Macho Man Randy Savage
Konnan
Vincent

WCW
Scott Steiner
Lex Luger
Rick Steiner
Booker T
Disco Inferno
La Parka
Stevie Ray

Cruiserweights
Chris Jericho
Eddie Guerrero
Psychosis
Rey Misterio, Jr.
Dean Malenko
Juventud Guerrera
Ultimo Dragon
Chavo Guerrero, Jr.
Alex Wright

Thunder

WCW
Sting
Rowdy Roddy Piper
Diamond Dallas Page
Goldberg
Bret Hart
Chris Benoit
Fit Finlay
Jim Neidhart
The British Bulldog
Glacier
Meng
Mortis
Yugi Nagata
The Barbarian
Wrath

The Flock
Raven
Lodi
Scotty Riggs
Sick Boy
Reese
Kidman
Saturn
Hammer

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I used the WCW/nWo Revenge roster as reference, doing my best to keep an equal number of wrestlers on each show. As you can see, definitely an A-show/B-show dynamic here similar to what WWE is known for. Hollywood/Wolfpac war dominates Nitro, leaving the Latino World Order and a couple of WCW guys (who could lean either way in terms of nWo) filling it gaps. Goldberg can still mow people down on Thunder, but eventually have to join forces with DDP and Piper to stop The Flock from running things like the nWo, as Benoit, Booker and others get to carry the show of elevated mid-carders. If anyone suffers from the split, it'd have to be the splintered cruiserweight division.
Thunder started in Jan. 98. The whole idea was to have Bret be the main attraction of the show.

Brian Adams wasn't in WCW until February.

The NWO didn't split until April.

The Cruiserweights were only ever going to be on Nitro. Bischoff said they were used to draw people in to Nitro.

Why would you split up Harlem Heat and The Steiners.

Kanyon was known as Mortis then and was in a tag team with Wrath, definitely wasn't in the Flock.
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Having a WCW show and an nWo show would have been the logical way to go. nWo takes over one show, has a few WCW guys on the roster that kind of have to deal with the nWo's bullshit (like DDP for example) and then Goldberg rises from the ashes to start taking down the nWo members one by one. That leads to the in fighting among the ranks leading to a split between Hollywood and Wolfpac, and have the Cruiserweights on the nWo show, which allows for the LWO to be a focus.

I mean if you HAVE to have two major weekly shows, then that is probably the best way WCW could have handled it.

One thing I'll never get about the Hollywood/Wolfpac split: Why on Earth would it be Nash and Savage on the same side and Hogan and Hall on the same side? Wouldn't it make more sense to have Hogan and Savage together and then Hall and Nash together, so you get Mega Powers Vs. Outsiders? Call me crazy, but that seemed like the more logical way to go with it. Granted, with Hall's personal demons, it wouldn't have mattered much anyway, but at least have the right chess pieces in place from the start.

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Thunder started in Jan. 98. The whole idea was to have Bret be the main attraction of the show.

The Cruiserweights were only ever going to be on Nitro. Bischoff said they were used to draw people in to Nitro.
Didn't know that.

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I can't imagine any scenario where a brand split works out strongly for any long period of time without something substantial. I think WWF could have had it if they allowed WCW or ECW to be more of their own entity after they secured them. Doing an N.W.O. show could have worked out for a short time but it's hard to imagine it working out as a long term roster split. I thought even putting guys like Savage, Sting, and Luger in there felt a lot like they were killing both the individual characters and the group concept.

Trying to balance two shows under the same creative umbrella is tricky, particularly during the Monday Night Wars, when WWF has already begun getting back some of their steam and ECW is holding their own. 1998 was almost impossible not to book into the ground for WCW. They had way too many big money established stars on their roster and not enough space to get everybody over. A lot of those guys needed to go on hiatus so their audience had time to miss them but doing that would have risked a similar mass exodus as Vince got when he started cutting these guys back for the younger talent.
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1998 was almost impossible not to book into the ground for WCW. They had way too many big money established stars on their roster and not enough space to get everybody over.
That's why a brand split would have been favourable for WCW, as the big egos could have been separated.

I don't think WCW would have been booked in to the ground with a split.

On Nitro you have Sting who has just won the world title, trying to fend off the NWO, with help from Flair, Luger and Piper. Nash is seeing weakness in Hogan and is trying to be top dog. So the NWO end up splitting in 2. You have Latino World Order dominating the Cruiserweights, Jericho feuding with Malenko, Harlem Heat and The Steiners splitting up as they chase singles glory.

Then on Thunder you have a Bret Hart/Chris Benoit feud until he joins Bret, Jim and Davey Boy and form a Hart Dungeon faction feuding with The Flock, the Rise of Goldberg and DDP. A red hot TV title scene featuring Regal, Finlay, Eddie, Eaton, Jannetty, Wright and Disco.

Then when Goldberg has mowed down everyone on Thunder, he wins the world title on ppv and switches to Nitro where he meets the NWO. Et
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A NWO show in 1998 would have been good and given some extra life and relevance to the group.

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That's why a brand split would have been favourable for WCW, as the big egos could have been separated.

I don't think WCW would have been booked in to the ground with a split.

On Nitro you have Sting who has just won the world title, trying to fend off the NWO, with help from Flair, Luger and Piper. Nash is seeing weakness in Hogan and is trying to be top dog. So the NWO end up splitting in 2. You have Latino World Order dominating the Cruiserweights, Jericho feuding with Malenko, Harlem Heat and The Steiners splitting up as they chase singles glory.

Then on Thunder you have a Bret Hart/Chris Benoit feud until he joins Bret, Jim and Davey Boy and form a Hart Dungeon faction feuding with The Flock, the Rise of Goldberg and DDP. A red hot TV title scene featuring Regal, Finlay, Eddie, Eaton, Jannetty, Wright and Disco.

Then when Goldberg has mowed down everyone on Thunder, he wins the world title on ppv and switches to Nitro where he meets the NWO. Et
I hear what you are saying but I just don't see it working. I think splitting a roster that large and balancing it with any degree of success while trying to maintain that level of momentum is practically impossible to do. There's a reason why the WWE has had similar problems since their competition folded. When you add in the pressure of battling weekly with the WWF, there really isn't an incentive to take it there. It becomes too much gamble.
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Just a reminder:

Look at that fucking roster!

And Meltzer gonna act like today is something.

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