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post #31 of 79 (permalink) Old 09-09-2019, 10:41 AM
 
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Re: Was the Rock the best example of being bigger than the face of the company?

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Argue popularity all you'd like, but The Rock was never in anyone's shadow lol
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1999 -

WWE creates a second flagship show called Smackdown.

Rock surpassed Austin in merch during the summer of 1999 (Web archive, look it up)

Rumors circulate that Austin could turn heel due to Rock being the most popular act on the roster.

2000: Videogame franchise separate from WM2000 and No Mercy for playstation called SMACKDOWN gets launched:

The first four video games from the Smackdown franchise were: Smackdown, Smackdown: Know Your Role, Smackdown: Just Bring It, Smackdown: Shut Your Mouth.

The Rock hosts SNL to record ratings.

The WWE corporate website refers to itself as THE MOST ELECTRIFYING SPORTS ENTERTAINMENT COMPANY

The Rock is offered 5.5 million to be featured in The Mummy Returns

-Question for everyone:

Does the above look like a superstar was in anyone's shadow?

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Re: Was the Rock the best example of being bigger than the face of the company?

I think people are misunderstanding more favorable booking vs who was more over. Austin had way more favorable booking, this is indisputable, but Rock did better business on top on house shows, did better PPV buys, was the top guy for their best year where Austin wasn't even there(2000), and when Austin came back, in late 2000, ratings actually went down. I'm not blaming Steve, the move to TNN hurt for sure, but he didn't stop the bleeding. Business went to shit after WM 17, and Austins heel turn hurt for sure, but Rock literally went away for months, he wasn't even on the show, that points more to Rock leaving impacting business more. Austin lost a lot of his luster when he went down in late 1999, the only business he really did after that was with Rock during and leading up to WM 17. He didn't pop business when he returned in 2000 until he feuded with Rock, his heel turn was a complete disaster, his babyface turn after 2001 SS was fine, but he clearly wasn't as over as Rock at that point. In 2002 he was basically an upper midcard guy, messing with the likes of Booker, Bossman, Scott Hall, Eddie Guerrero, etc, didn't have the same level of booking and he couldn't stay over to that degree anymore.

If we're gonna be bare bones about the whole thing, Austin took way more to get over and needed a lot of protection to stay over. Bret Hart, Mike Tyson, and Vince McMahon played a massive role in getting Austin over, and they fed that machine with insanely overprotective booking to keep him over, so much so that it was to the detriment to the other guys on the roster. Rock got over just on his abilities, he was not given any protection whatsoever, was initially a background member in the Nation, then he was an upper midcard guy who got geeked out to guys like Ken Shamrock on a regular basis, and even as a main event guy he got beat with regularity, even occasionally doing jobs to guys like Al Snow, Test, Bossman, Rhyno, Val Venis, Billy Gunn, etc. And yet against all odds he stayed a megastar. When Austin started to taste that kind of booking in 2002, he faded into midcard obscurity, couldn't handle it, lost his shit and quit. Not only was Rock the bigger star, he was the better talent who could get over on his own and stay over no matter what.
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There were 2-3 years where The Rock was bigger than Austin

Even at Austins peak if you ask fans who their favorite was it would be something like a 52 to 48 split
Lets not pretend that The Rock was that far off from Austin...was a cunt hair difference
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Cool, my 40+ middle school teacher at the time did a "it doesn't matter what your name is joke" to a student in 1999-2000. That's a pretty big indicator as to how big the Rock was during that time.

Hogan is the only one who is competition to the Rock in this regard (overall stardom). Both were bigger mainstream stars than Austin, that's a fact.
You can definitely argue Hogan over Rock as far as wrestling stars go, I'd argue Hogan is number 1 all time as far as strictly wrestling popularity goes. Was arguably the most over wrestler in the world, if not top 3, before he even went to the WWF while he was in the AWA, was mega over both in North America and Japan. Then he went to WWF and became a megastar like never seen before, then he completely reinvented himself again and became Hollywood Hogan, creating yet another boom period. Rock and Austin don't have that longevity. But if we're talking strictly mainstream stars, Hogan isn't close to Rock. Hogan failed as an actor, Rock is a huge celebrity and one of the most famous actors in the world. Rock is the only wrestler ever to transcend professional wrestling.
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Perhaps you could argue Punk although I do think Cena still wins there. He can't come close to Cena in Hollywood but he did give him a run on who was bigger from 11-13 and did have some success drawing in MMA. Also if he were to comeback it would be huge for wrestling. Much bigger than any Cena match now.

But yeah Rock is the shining example.
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Sasha's the one on Wild N Out.
OH BROTHER! I love wild n out and I can tell you that she was HORRIBLE on it. She didn't rap, dance, rhyme, nada. She added NOTHING to the show.

She proved that outside of WWE's horrible scripts she still has no charisma or IT factor. I feel the same about Carmella and Ziggler who also guest starred on WNO recently.

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Care to elaborate? I would say he'd do whatever it takes to get that kind of star power from a younger worker.
Ryback said that HHH told me that the WWE is not interested in creating stars and you can see it in their booking and presentation.

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He is bigger now but when he was wrestling im fairly confident he was a solid number 2 guy behind SCSA.

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It is hard to determine if Rock was bigger than Austin while Austin was still at the height of his popularity. Arguments can be made, but it is hard to really determine in hindsight. When Austin got hurt, Rock's popularity skyrocketed. I would say that by late 2001 when Rock was back after filming a movie and Austin was trying to regain his momentum as a face after his lackluster heel run first with McMahon then the Alliance, Rock had surpassed him outright.

The only other examples I can think of is back in 1990 when The Ultimate Warrior was champion and being pushed as the FOTC but Hulk Hogan was still more popular. Also, Steve Austin was more popular in mid-late 1997 than the previous 3 champions before he won the title in 1998 (Undertaker, HBK and Bret Hart). Since I lean towards Rock being an outright passing, I would say Austin in 1997 was the best.
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Re: Was the Rock the best example of being bigger than the face of the company?

You could argue that after Wrestlemania 13, Austin was already bigger than Shawn, Bret, Taker, whoever you want to define as face of the company at the time. Although, he went on to become the face of the company at WM 14, so maybe that doesn't count?
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