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Bruno Sanmartino's 8 year run with the WWWF title, historians assemble!

This has been heralded as a classic example if not THE example of how to do a wrestling championship reign.

There has been debate over weather this would be feasible today, but I must know how they pulled this off.

Was Bruno that charismatic and beloved? What kind of booking did they do? Was there any fan backlash during this time? Was WWWF's fanbase as stubborn as it is today?

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It helps that there wasn't weekly TV or monthly PPVs so there wasn't the over-saturation that you get from modern champions.

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Bruno was beloved as a babyface by the WWWF fandom at time, many of whom were immigrants. To the point that Larry Zbyszko became one of the most hated heels in wrestling, to the point of being stabbed for real by a fan, when he turned on Bruno. Also Bruno almost never lost at MSG as well for fear of fan reaction. And looking at his life story, it's not hard to see why.

And as Lethal Weapon said above, there wasn't nearly as much over-saturation back then as there is now.

In short, Bruno was the perfect champion for the time.

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It helps that there wasn't weekly TV or monthly PPVs so there wasn't the over-saturation that you get from modern champions.
This right here is why I love Brock as champion. Less is more and when he shows up it's a big deal.
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there has been debate over weather this would be feasible today,

Was WWWF's fanbase as stubborn as it is today?
The fan base was much much smaller. It was confined to the northeast section of the US. There was no internet which is a huge deal. There was no observer. At this moment in history, we're living in the age of instant gratification because fads die down so soon. It's a different society and it would never ever be feasible.

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WWE tried with Brock Lesnar with the Universal championship. than members of the fanbase complained since he wasn’t on WWE programming reglarly, so it was interrupted with run by Reigns and Rollins, even though the run was designed to give some credibility back to the company.

WWE also tried with CM Punk with the WWE Championship, whose reign the fans were far more receptive to, and he was there pretty much every week. But he was usually placed in the midcard for title defenses. And then he lost the belt to the Rock, because Rock had to job to Cena at WM29, because Cena always needs his win back. Punk would have carried it to Wrestlemania otherwise.

The closest was to Sammartino in recent memory is Okada in New Japan. Two straight years (June 2016-June 2018) as IWGP Heavyweight Champion, plus a previous 9 month reign that started in July 2015 (that was briefly interrupted for 2 months by Naito). So nearly 3 years as champion, which is quite a feat in this day and age.

It’s possible to have long reigns today, but the fans have had to relarn that over the last few years after years of hotshotting in the Attitude Era and even WCW 2000. Even then, they don’t have the patience that the fans of Sammartino’s time had.
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Re: Bruno Sanmartino's 8 year run with the WWWF title, historians assemble!

Wouldn’t work today.

Both the market and the audience are completely different and not built for that kind of run.

The longest runs you’ll see, in WWE, are a year and change and with their booking even that can be torturously long.

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... the run was designed to get Roman over. It failed. So the run continued.

The transparency of Brock’s reign was actually a big reason why it floundered.

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And after one year, fans would turn on him. Pro wrestling in 2019 is nothing like 1963.

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... the run was designed to get Roman over. It failed. So the run continued.

The transparency of Brock’s reign was actually a big reason why it floundered.
Yes, and Lesnar was chosen to have the longest run because he was seen as the most legitimate champion, even though WWE could have chosen anyone to have had a year+ long reign before having them put over Roman. The idea was that when Roman beat Lesnar, he’s seen as the top guy and WWE would try and promote him as the face of the company on the level of Hogan/Austin/Rock, since those stars were the last time WWE was taken seriously in pop culture.

It was as much about the company as it was about Roman. Obviously, it didn’t work out.
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Re: Bruno Sanmartino's 8 year run with the WWWF title, historians assemble!

A reign long enough to overtake Bruno's could work if there was less WWE programming and events.

If there were four PPVs a year as opposed to 15, it'd be feasible. If the champ wasn't competing every week, it'd be possible.

But the way things are right now, there'd be revolting against the decision to have a someone hold the title for most of a decade.
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