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Do You Blame Shawn Michaels For Not Wanting To Work With Vader?

It's been said that Shawn Michaels was supposed to drop the World Title to Vader at Survivor Series 96 and regain it from him at Royal Rumble 97. Shawn refused to work with Vader for this program because he didn't like Vader's in ring work, meaning he hit too damn hard during his matches. Sid ultimately got that spot. Shawn did work with Vader at Summer Slam in 96 and wrestled several house show matches against him that year.


My question is, do you blame Shawn for refusing to work with Vader? Vader was well known for hitting his opponents unbelievably hard. Mick Foley said that wrestlers in WCW would literally quit to get out of wrestling him. I read that Harley Race even told Vader he needed to tone it down in the ring.

Vader beating the shit out of opponents was really fun to watch from a fan's perspective, but it was brutal on the wrestlers. In my opinion Vader was inflicting more pain than a wrestler should reasonably be expected to go through.


Top guys like Sting and Ric Flair still worked with Vader, but I wouldn't have blamed them if they didn't and I don't think I blame Shawn for refusing to work with him.
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Re: Do You Blame Shawn Michaels For Not Wanting To Work With Vader?

Eh, we all know Shawn's infamous attitude from those days, his back was bad at that point, Vader's a 400-pound behemoth who came into WWF with injuries of his own too. Vader speculated that since he turned down Vince's idea of calling Vader The Mastadon, which didn't allow Vince to get those sweet company rights, that could've screwed him too. He has also said that Shawn was a perfectionist and always bitching about something after their matches, even though Vader thought they were great. Cornette has said Michaels threatened Vader's job if he pulled his hair stiffly again.

For what it is worth though, despite all that, Vader puts Michaels and Misawa over as the two best he's been in the ring with in his Hannibal and Austin interviews.
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Re: Do You Blame Shawn Michaels For Not Wanting To Work With Vader?

Honestly, Shawn could work a 35 minute main event with a mop bucket and it would be a match of the year candidate... For the few guys who like to call out that Michaels was a ‘dick’ back in those days, there are many more marquee wrestlers who have gone out of their way to praise Michaels work and highlight that ‘their matches’ with him are some of the best they’ve had. When undertaker himself says a couple of his own personal top five matches were with HBK... the dude knows what the hell he was doing.

Yes, the Vader thing could have been handled differently. I’m sure Shawn would easily say that these days.

But Vader was also a shell of himself by this time in WWE. I’ve heard it talked about by others on interviews. It just seemed like he was going through the damn motions or something. His work really wasn’t that outstanding.

Bottom line. When you are in a main event at summerslam, and you are screwing up a couple highlighted spots, I’m sure many would take issue with that. Is there a better way to deal with it?... I guess so, but that’s not what this topic is asking.
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Re: Do You Blame Shawn Michaels For Not Wanting To Work With Vader?

According to Cornet Michaels made him cry the one time that he did hit him too hard. It was more a power play than worrying about getting injured.
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According to Cornet Michaels made him cry the one time that he did hit him too hard. It was more a power play than worrying about getting injured.
Wait, Shawn made Vader cry because he hit him too hard or Vader made Michaels cry? Or do you mean Shawn made Vader cry after the match when he was giving him shit?
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Wait, Shawn made Vader cry because he hit him too hard or Vader made Michaels cry?
Vader hit Shawn too hard so Shawn chewed Vaders ass out and made him think that he was gonna get fired which apparently scared the shit out of Vader
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Wait, Shawn made Vader cry because he hit him too hard or Vader made Michaels cry?
Corny in one of his shoots notes that Michaels made Vader cry, because Michaels threatened to get Vader fired if Vader pulled Michaels hair too hard ever again.



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Re: Do You Blame Shawn Michaels For Not Wanting To Work With Vader?

That's waaaaay out of my timeline, but from all I've seen/read, Shawn was an absolute asshole backstage and kept people down whenever he could. And he was blasting his head off at parties.

All in all, someone I'd punch in the face. Or someone CM Punk would probably punch in the face.
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That's waaaaay out of my timeline, but from all I've seen/read, Shawn was an absolute asshole backstage and kept people down whenever he could. And he was blasting his head off at parties.

All in all, someone I'd punch in the face. Or someone CM Punk would probably punch in the face.
CM Punk would be asking for his autograph
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Re: Do You Blame Shawn Michaels For Not Wanting To Work With Vader?

How can I blame him? He had to keep the legend down through politics or else his own would dwindle, which it ended up doing when Dwayne Johnson and Steve Austin came around. That's the nature of the biz.
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