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Did any 90s WWF fans feel like WCW was where wrestlers went to be former shells of themselves?

Or vice versa of course (Ricky Steamboat = The Dragon in WWF)

But for me I was a WWF kid since I discovered wrestling in about 89. Didn't really see any WCW until early to mid 90s, as that's when I first saw any in my video store.

So I grew up watching guys like the Boss Man in WWF and really liked him both heel and face. Then later I see him being The god damn Guardian Angel, or The Boss or Bubba Rogers or whatever. The production was worse, the magic was gone and he looked worse in the ring.

Jake the Snake, big WWF star and one of my absolute favourites coming off an all time great heel persona in WWF, turns up in WCW for a disastrous cup of coffee looking worse, much worse production in smaller venues. Just horrible.

Then later it was guys like Macho Man. He turns up in 94 or whatever and just looks out of place and a lesser star. Lame version of his music, worse production, not the same level performer.

Then you've got poor old Mr Perfect. The guy who was literally one of the greatest in ring heels in his WWF days. Then he turns up after a few years off as just..... Curt Hennig. I know his best days were over because of injuries but for me it was another case of 'why did he have to leave my WWF?'

Also see: Ted Dibiase to the NWO. Horrible fit.
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Re: Did any 90s WWF fans feel like WCW was where wrestlers went to be former shells of themselves?

Yep. Not right away but by mid-late 1994 I was convinced WCW was WWF's retirement home. For a while there it seemed like every week a new WWF retread would debut in WCW- Hogan, Beefcake, Duggan, Savage, Earthquake, Honkytonk Man, etc. Yawn.

Long before Wheel Chair Wrestling became a thing I viewed WCW as wrestling's Senior's Tour. That stretch of 94-95 WCW was the first time ever where I CHOSE not to watch a wrestling promotion. It just seemed so pathetic to me.

They did win me back for about a year in September '95 when my friends and I ordered War Games on a whim. I started watching again after that and dug a bunch of the new young talent (and some oldsters like Flair, Arn & Mr. Wonderful, to be fair). But even then WCW could never quite shake that perception I had of them as the old timers league. And I checked out again in August '96. Permanently this time. Hogan as champ again? Plus those damn "sellouts" Razor & Diesel? Ugh! No thanks.
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Re: Did any 90s WWF fans feel like WCW was where wrestlers went to be former shells of themselves?

I do, however I'm retroactively thinking.

WCW spent too much money to require faltering or outdated talent. I mean the greats of the 80's were still good in the 90's but of a lesser caliber overall.

The nWo was great for the first year but once it consumed the brand and most of the roster the entire show spun into chaos to me. Not the good kind.

They left their original stars in the dust, besides a few like Sting, DDP and Goldberg, and relied too much on WWF's old star power names like Hogan, Nash, Hall, Savage, Luger, Ultimate Warrior, Bret Hart, etc and most had mediocre runs or completely vacant work in WCW.

Honestly, they worked in reverse. WWF lost their 80's and Golden Era talent to WCW. WCW lost their fresh, original starter talent with the likes of Jericho, Guerrero, Benoit, etc. It was a trade off and building up newer guys, getting fresher faces, introducing new attitude and also scooping up rival talent I feel won WWF the War in the end. WCW was stagnant after nWo craze and having older talent that felt "been there, done that" was less than thrilling.

The whole thing after awhile felt like "Ha Ha we got your goat WWF, look who is on the roster now!" It was their downfall as it had lots of nepotism (non-familial), no plans for the future and always felt like a here and a now type of promotion that threw caution to the wind. That reckless behavior and jumping the gun with some things is what made WCW white hot but also lead to their demise as well. It was a double edge sword.

WCW peaked in 1997 and quickly was falling apart by mid to late 1998 to me (I'd argue 1998's Souled Out PPV). I'm surprised they lasted as long as they did, honestly.
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Re: Did any 90s WWF fans feel like WCW was where wrestlers went to be former shells of themselves?

The New Generation campaign had some truth to it. Hogan vs Flair was a dream match that WWE botched and it was big when Hogan jumped to face Flair. There was a reason why he had a contract originally only for a series against Flair. As Hogan said post Bash at the Beach 94 interview "What's old is new again" or something along those lines.

WCW did feel like the retirement home. It's amazing how they turned things around and used the New Generation stars bigger than WWF did in Razor and Diesel. Hogan being repackaged and probably Vince lighting a fire under him after the Huckster skits got WCW out of the doldrums.
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Re: Did any 90s WWF fans feel like WCW was where wrestlers went to be former shells of themselves?

Yeah I forgot about Earthquake and Brutus Beefcake going over and losing their edge too.

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Re: Did any 90s WWF fans feel like WCW was where wrestlers went to be former shells of themselves?

Seemed like in the mid 90's that was the case. WWF was creating new talent while WCW was using old relics, shame today's WWF is using the latter formula instead of the former which worked so well for them for a long time.
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Re: Did any 90s WWF fans feel like WCW was where wrestlers went to be former shells of themselves?

even mean gene went over there too
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Re: Did any 90s WWF fans feel like WCW was where wrestlers went to be former shells of themselves?

Ironic the thing that killed WCW was Eric Bischoff being such an 80's WWF mark.
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Ironic the thing that killed WCW was Eric Bischoff being such an 80's WWF mark.
Killed WCW?!?!? ... The only reason they lasted as long as they did is as you put it "Eric being such an 80's WWF mark" Without Hogan Savage Hall Nash etc they would've folded long before 2001. It's so obvious who was around to witness that era and who's just go by the narrative that's been written
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You have to keep the times in context and understand the circumstances of 1994 and 1995. These were name talents at that point. Both WCW and the WWF had struggled mightily to create new stars during what had become a prolonged wrestling recession. And when I say new stars, the type that would main event either promotion and drive renewed mainstream interest. For the WWF, the last true mainstream star that they had created was Undertaker. And while Razor Ramon and Diesel were heavily pushed, to me in the mid-90s these were talents not at the same level as the 80s stars. These were not the replacements for Randy Savage and Hulk Hogan. These were WCW undercard talents Diamond Studd and Vinnie Vegas, moderately repackaged. Shawn Michaels and Bret Hart were simply holdover tag-team wrestlers who simply got elevated because everyone else had left the WWF.

As for WCW, they had virtually no success at creating name value stars from 1990 - 1994. At best, Vader was their biggest new talent. Stunning Steve Austin and Dustin Rhodes were bland, generic mid-carders. Again, to me at that time WCW’s biggest new home-grown talent was probably Johnny B Badd. And Badd was simply a mid-carder. But outside of that, WCW characters were a long parade of Cole Twins, Terra Ryzing, Ice Train, Big Josh, Van Hammer, and the Texicans. Basically, just bodies and no one to draw main stream interest to the promotion.

Since WCW could not create new talent to bring mainstream interest to the promotion, it made sense to go after former mainstream WWF stars. And furthermore, they were strategic. Hogan and Savage were in their late 30s/early 40s, and Boss Man was in his mid 30s. Bulldog was in his 30s as well. None of them were completely played out, and they would draw far more casual viewers in a match against Sting or Ric Flair than Yoshi Kwan or Lord Steven Regal. What hurt is that given the state of the business and the scope of WCW’s team, the company's production values were lower than WWF. It would take until 1995 before WCW caught up and began to exceed the World Wrestling Federation.

And WCW was not the only promotion that tried this. The American Wrestling Federation went on a similar spree, signing a slew of older former WWF stars. However WCW got the more valuable, vibrant talent (Hogan, Savage, Bulldog, Quake), while the AWF signed Tito Santana, Hercules, Greg Valentine, and Bob Orton Jr. WCW's new signees still had far more gas in the tank, and the company thrived as a result.

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