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post #1 of 66 (permalink) Old 05-23-2018, 12:31 AM Thread Starter
 
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Heyman or Cornette?

So if the mods don't want this poll so be it.

Both of them are smooth talkers who used their gifts to propel them into power makers in the industry. Both of them were kids of the industry who sought out every resource they could find. Both of them were mentored by the old territory guys, Heyman has admitted he ran to the paper guys each week for southern territory results, and Cornette took pictures for Jarrett at a very young age. Both men were mentored by Jarrett and Watts, But years later they found themselves head to head in the Original Midnight Express (Rose and Condrey) vs The Midnight Express (Eaton and Lane) feud that would forever link the two of them as young great minds.

Both men started their own failed territories and both men booked multiple companies based on limited success. Both men were on WWE creative.

Today they still have a voice.

So who do you prefer?

I for one would take Cornette any day all day because he fits my old school leanings, but that's just me.

I understand that Paul's ECW creation will probably win the poll, plus the fact that he still gets real air time with managing Brock. But Heyman to me, simply took an already established awesome southern weekly product to a tension starved northeast and added some mark out moments to make ECW. I mean the Northeast was used to the WWF's long programs. They had no clue what weekly booking was like. Cornette was steady and knew how to book weekly. He took a nothing territory like Smokey Mountain to years of success, and he actually paid his guys lol. I can admit Paul E's ECW was cant miss booking and it featured some great talent. Plus he actually had the "balls" to get his fan to chant "southern style sucks" which was the actual style they were running, therefore trying to make it their own. But Cornette stuck to his leanings and produced some great talent in Smokey Mountain.

But let's be truthful they both learned from Jarrett and took the Tennessee style.

But both are still present in wrestling. So chose one?

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Re: Heyman or Cornette?

100% agree with you. I've become a bit of a mark for Cornette recently, just given how spot-on he is about so much to do with wrestling. The man was even made prophetic predictions in the past. Heyman is probably going to win for all those reasons you mentioned, but I agree with your assessment too. So much of ECW was smoke and mirrors, which is part of the game and deserves commendation to a degree, but there were lots of things that don't hold up from that period too. Honestly, I think Smoky Mountain Wrestling has held up better because it seems to stick to some core principles that endear it as wrestling, as opposed to dating it in a moment of time.

Heyman's got a great mind that he tries to keep contemporary, but he's not very good at running promotions to profit, haha. He'd be a great consultant or someone that you use to spike a territory, but over the long term he's probably going to lose the audience he brings in, as well as chase off that audience you have at the start. Both are brilliant performers. Would love to see them give it another go any day of the week, as much as neither really seems to have the intention to.
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Re: Heyman or Cornette?

I prefer Heyman, but it has less to do with Cornette, who I also really like, than it has to do with my age. I grew up watching Heyman, that's a tough bias to beat.

Cornette is no doubt one of the GOAT managers and one of the great wrestling minds, I just have more of a personal connection to Heyman.


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Re: Heyman or Cornette?

I guess I just have a southern bias for Cornette lol.....

Heyman had the gaul to take the southern product and move it up north and package it as something new "ECW"

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Re: Heyman or Cornette?

Cornette for me, mainly because I didn't get ECW, it was on a cable channel but we didn't always have cable and I was never really looking for it anyways. Cornette is one of my favourite people to listen to, even though he is a bit ridiculous.
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Re: Heyman or Cornette?

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I guess I just have a southern bias for Cornette lol.....
"I'm from the south, we don't make make dinner we fix it!"

Cornette will always have a place in my heart for the Jericho fast food drive thru story
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I prefer Heyman, but it has less to do with Cornette, who I also really like, than it has to do with my age. I grew up watching Heyman, that's a tough bias to beat.

Cornette is no doubt one of the GOAT managers and one of the great wrestling minds, I just have more of a personal connection to Heyman.
Really glad to see Cornette getting a lot of respect in this thread. Kind of expected more of a wash for Heyman. I like your honesty is assessing, and really that personal bias is going to go into it. I love how much Cornette sticks to his guns, but I do think it's to wrestling's detriment that more people aren't going to have that familiarity with Cornette, and are just going to see him through the false lens of the internet of him being an out of touch old guy.

I suspect more and more people will just be more familiar with Heyman. Which isn't a knock on Heyman, other than maybe his willingness to accept a WWE paycheck to keep quiet and not think too much about where wrestling is heading, haha.
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Re: Heyman or Cornette?

Cornette.

I preferred ECW over SMW but I still love Cornette on screen today. He's still awesome on the mic and does passionate promos without shouting. I enjoyed his manager runs and loved his GM roles in TNA. I also find myself agreeing with alot of what he says in his podcasts about wrestling.

On the other hand, Heymam is still a great manager but he gets stale very quick as he's been with Lesnar to long now. His promos end up with shouting and trying to be 'to real.' And his pairings with Cesaro, Axel & Ryback sucked. Ok not the top guys, but heyman didnt really reinvent himself in those role and stayed the same style as his Lesnar promos.
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Re: Heyman or Cornette?

Firstly, that is an excellent OP. When I saw the title I did worry it would be biased to one guy or the other but fair play you gave a nice recap of each guy.

I've picked cornette because basically I'm an old school wrestling fan more now than I've ever been. I want to like the contemporary stuff, but I feel they've forgotten basic wrestling tenants that are universal even today.

Also, his recall of facts and he seems to written everything down in books(if you've listened to his podcast with the deep dives, it's the dates and payoffs he records) and the contracts and stuff he kept. In a business known at times for embellishment, he stands out.

Now paul heyman is clearly one of the greats in wrestling history from a mind perspective. He just seems to have never been good with money. His time as head writer for smackdown shows how good he is, when not having to deal with the bottom line. I still rewatch that time period now.
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Re: Heyman or Cornette?

I'll have to go with Paul Heymen, Heymen was always one who was able to catputre trends. ECW, him wanting to turn ECW into basically early ROH before it shut down (That 's what I heard anyway), and his ideas about getting everyone over are great. Cornette as far more set in his ways and can fail to adapt (Ala ROH) which can cause problems. Like listening to both about their ideas and views but Heymen seems like someone who would be more successful in reality.

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