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post #1 of 20 (permalink) Old 09-30-2019, 03:15 AM Thread Starter
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The Quran

About a year ago I stopped at a yard sale, love the....what will I find?
Bought a Quran for a buck. Took me a few weeks before I started reading it. I was stunned, what is with all this....punish.the Fire, burn.....we find there. You can't go three pages without something about violence.

Give me a page and I'll prove it.
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post #2 of 20 (permalink) Old 09-30-2019, 03:50 AM
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Re: The Quran

The sky is blue and water is wet. my favorite is something Islamic apologists like to throw out.

But pretty much ignore all the surrounding text

What the verse actually says and not just a cleverly cut up as they have it there.

Because of that, We decreed upon the Children of Israel that whoever kills a soul unless for a soul or for corruption [done] in the land - it is as if he had slain mankind entirely. And whoever saves one - it is as if he had saved mankind entirely. And our messengers had certainly come to them with clear proofs. Then indeed many of them, [even] after that, throughout the land, were transgressors.
Talking about that was actually something for the Jews and that they sinned.

And then the very next verse.....

Indeed, the penalty for those who wage war against Allah and His Messenger and strive upon earth [to cause] corruption is none but that they be killed or crucified or that their hands and feet be cut off from opposite sides or that they be exiled from the land. That is for them a disgrace in this world; and for them in the Hereafter is a great punishment,
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post #3 of 20 (permalink) Old 09-30-2019, 03:58 AM
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I don't think anyone here will dispute that tbh. The Quran really likes to hammer home all the horrible fates that have befallen or will befall upon people who do not follow him or worse, actively go against him.
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It is interesting reading the scriptures of our friends at the religion of peace.
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post #5 of 20 (permalink) Old 09-30-2019, 09:07 AM
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The Quran is an even more vile book than the Bible. I actually tried to read it once but its so fixated on stupid and inane stuff. From burning everyone to who owns what property.

Your women are cultivation for you; so approach your cultivation whenever you like, and send ahead for yourselves.
I mean come on.

Allah instructs you regarding your children: The male receives the equivalent of the share of two females. If they are daughters, more than two, they get two-thirds of what he leaves. If there is only one, she gets one-half. As for the parents, each gets one-sixth of what he leaves, if he had children. If he had no children, and his parents inherit from him, his mother gets one-third. If he has siblings, his mother gets one-sixth. After fulfilling any bequest and paying off debts. Your parents and your children—you do not know which are closer to you in welfare. This is Allah's Law. Allah is Knowing and Judicious.

How does this shit put butts in seats?

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post #6 of 20 (permalink) Old 09-30-2019, 03:42 PM
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The Quran is a bunch of crap, even more so than the Bible is
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I wouldn't call the Quran any better or worse than the Bible, none of the two work as a moral compass in the 21st century.

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I have read some of it and it is basically one more fork of petulant, counterfeit Judaism taken to inevitable conclusions in a war-thirsty, nomadic environment as the ancient sheiks and assassins lived in. Always examine the wellspring from which religious books flowed.

As an Objectivist I don't believe that God exists, nor accept word or scriptures and evidence, but in theory, if one did exist, the most plausible yet of course, unprovable explanation I would consider would be that it was an impersonal God that created the universe and of whom we don't know and may never know, and nothing more. I would not even theorize whether it did so as a choice or spontaneously because I needn't go that far.

I am firmly rooted in scientific basis. Yet even in that realm there is man's bigotry when it is used for the propaganda of another, but this is not science to blame, it is a collective "I think I'm better than you because" force using scientific knowledge as their tool, deep in the heart this is the main problem of all these matters since civilizations time forgot.

Religion, politics, and even bias of the color of one's skin is the world of children trapped in a confused state where rationalism was never endowed. As soon as you are passing judgment and execution because their culture doesn't fit yours, you have entered the stage of an insane beast using force; the only way you can justify it is a promise (really a gamble) of heavenly paradise in return.
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I go to the store occasionally to pick up some more Quran.
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Re: The Quran

Originally Posted by Draykorinee View Post
The Quran is an even more vile book than the Bible. I actually tried to read it once but its so fixated on stupid and inane stuff. From burning everyone to who owns what property.

I mean come on.

How does this shit put butts in seats?
There's a Haddith that adds on to that I can't find the exact one but here's a related haddith.

Narrated Jabir:

Jews used to say: "If one has sexual intercourse with his wife from the back, then she will deliver a squint-eyed child." So this Verse was revealed:-- "Your wives are a tilth unto you; so go to your tilth when or how you will." (2.223)
I think it's in another haddith but a man goes to Mohammed. Asking if it's okay to do it doggie style because his wife has these weird ideas from the Jewish tribe she grew up in. So basically Mohammed instead of just saying there's nothing wrong with having sex from behind....says She's your property fuck her however you like. Lol
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