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post #11 of 20 (permalink) Old 09-30-2019, 06:18 PM
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Re: The Quran

The Koran is beautiful poetry

Or so I've heard, you have to read it in Arabic to get the full poetic effect and I dont read Arabic

The New Testament is far superior as a work of morality and theology and is timeless

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It's almost as if the author(s) of these doom and gloom hyper-violent religious texts wanted to control the masses for their own gain somehow. It's hilarious how the stories and instructions in these books are taken so seriously, however not many people seem to question who actually wrote them and what their intentions were or any kind of proof they had of anything.

That includes the Quran and especially the Old Testament. God's a total monster heel in that promotion.

Mohammed isn't much fun at parties either. He always gets Mo' Hammered than anyone else! (I'll let myself out).

Anyway they all lead to powerful religious corporations in the end and they're completely fucked.
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Interesting takes, thanks.

I'm going to randomly open up this Quran, let's see what violence is found there....

page 202

.....the Fire awaits them, and they shall be hastened on into it.


They shall have a painful punishment

You cannot go three pages without finding something similiar to what I just typed. It's crazy!
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Sounds uplifting!

I do believe that unless you have read a large amount of religious text its hard to have an educated opinion of the religion and its message.
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I really try to remain open minded, but it's hard to respect a text that lead to the slaughters of so many innocent people and the degradation of women for centuries on end..
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I really try to remain open minded, but it's hard to respect a text that lead to the slaughters of so many innocent people and the degradation of women for centuries on end..
To be fair, the Bible isn't much better in that regard
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To be fair, the Bible isn't much better in that regard
I agree. Religion in general is a mess.
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About a year ago I stopped at a yard sale, love the....what will I find?
Bought a Quran for a buck. Took me a few weeks before I started reading it. I was stunned, what is with all this....punish.the Fire, burn.....we find there. You can't go three pages without something about violence.

Give me a page and I'll prove it.


Well I am Muslim revert so I have read the Quran and it resonated with me and I saw beauty in it, so each to their own

You, and judging from responses in this thread many others don't see the Quran on same way

That is okay, that is your choice

I find it odd that people have this need to go out their way to attack people and attack belief systems because they see it a certain way

I personally can only speak for me. I have become a better person, more moral, better focus, kinder, I have found my wife who I adore and I just feel happier and I always was looking for a personal relationship with God and I feel I have that now

I don't see it as violent etc but you are 100% allowed to feel how you feel

I would like to engage in intelligent discourse but I have a feeling this thread is just too push the Islam is violent and evil propaganda
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It's not about seeing it as violent. It is objectively violent in parts. You just choose to bypass the violent parts and focus on the nice parts. That's what moderate religious people do.

Cherry picking the bits you like is understandable, Christians don't want to take their kids to church and be told that lots daughters got him drunk and had sex with him.

I'm sure there are equally ludicrous stories in the Quran that you and others omit to satisfy your need to see the good.

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It's not about seeing it as violent. It is objectively violent in parts. You just choose to bypass the violent parts and focus on the nice parts. That's what moderate religious people do.

Cherry picking the bits you like is understandable, Christians don't want to take their kids to church and be told that lots daughters got him drunk and had sex with him.

I'm sure there are equally ludicrous stories in the Quran that you and others omit to satisfy your need to see the good.
The Quran is basically an amalgamation of all the religions that came before it. To be the "complete" religion by actively taking the history of all abrahimic religions and combining them into one "complete" religion. That's why it has mostly stories from the Torait and Bible .. which in turn borrowed heavily from Zoroastrianism and other faiths themselves.

Islam's violence is however, contextualized as self-defence, but this is simply not true because mohammad and his band of medina muslims consistently instigated the quraysh of mecca by looting and attacking their merchant caravans ... and eventually the warring mentality led to wars of defence, wars of expansion and wars simply born out of paranoia that there were conspirators trying to subvert mohammad and his little band of hooligans.

Muslims will go to war and start wars and then pretend that "well, they should have listened to us" or "they were planning to start a war with us" kind of reasoning and then pretend it's *always* just a defensive war even though they expanded all the way from medina to India in the east and spain in the west .. all the while looting, raping, taking sex slaves and other slaves in the process and then whining about "always being the ones who were under attack" ... because obviously all of those poor little nations wanted to destroy Islam. "Why are you resisting???" Said the typical warring muslim at the time while fucking destroying everything in its path .. so they could continue to justify their war mentality. Lmfao ...



Muslims claim that ALL of these people in ALL of these nations wanted to attack, subvert and destroy Islam and therefore *none* of the wars were "expansionist" and only wars of "self-defence" therefore Islam is not a religion of violence.

Just think about it for a second.


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