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So just accept it rather than try and change it? I don't think you understand the function of a lawsuit in this case, it's not to get money, it's to get the case in front of an appellate court or eventually the Supreme Court to get the law labled unconstitutional.
Here's what I don't get. Does this country's Supreme Court really only capable of striking down archaic laws if they come before it?

They should just sit down and strike off the inane laws on a daily basis.

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So just accept it rather than try and change it? I don't think you understand the function of a lawsuit in this case, it's not to get money, it's to get the case in front of an appellate court or eventually the Supreme Court to get the law labled unconstitutional.
You can get that done without a lawsuit, though.
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Here's what I don't get. Does this country's Supreme Court really only capable of striking down archaic laws if they come before it?

They should just sit down and strike off the inane laws on a daily basis.
There are members of the court who believe that judicial activism goes against the wishes of the framers of the Constitution. There's always a big debate on judicial activism vs strict constitutionalism and the current Chief Justice John Roberts fancies himself as a constitutionalist and he sets the agenda.

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You can get that done without a lawsuit, though.
How through the broken legislative process? That's arguably a longer and more expensive process. There's nothing inherently or morally wrong about the lawsuit process, in fact different branches of the government sue each other all the time, in it's essence a lawsuit is a form of debate and arbitration.
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How through the broken legislative process? That's arguably a longer and more expensive process. There's nothing inherently or morally wrong about the lawsuit process, in fact different branches of the government sue each other all the time, in it's essence a lawsuit is a form of debate and arbitration.
I don't know how the American system works. You can get shit done over here without suing.
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Why would you even need to disclose your "race" in the first place?! USA is a strange country sometimes. In Europe this would have been illegal to ask.

And no, I'm not denying different ethnic groups and such exist. But what is even the point of getting asked suc ha question when all you do is want to get married? Is it for statistical purposes? If it was then they shouldn't force you to answer it. Usually when you buy a product at a store or something and they want to ask you for your postcode or your age for statistical purposes you're allowed to refuse to answer.
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I don't know how the American system works. You can get shit done over here without suing.
You should know that almost everything in America is broken but some things are far more broken than others, the legislative process is more broken than the court process (criminal matters excepted).

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Why would you even need to disclose your "race" in the first place?! USA is a strange country sometimes. In Europe this would have been illegal to ask.

And no, I'm not denying different ethnic groups and such exist. But what is even the point of getting asked suc ha question when all you do is want to get married? Is it for statistical purposes? If it was then they shouldn't force you to answer it. Usually when you buy a product at a store or something and they want to ask you for your postcode or your age for statistical purposes you're allowed to refuse to answer.
It's not. It's because interracial marriages were illegal at one point, and I believe that like the evangelicals are hoping that one day Roe V Wade is over-turned (which after 30 years of cultural erosion and constantly pushing ultra-conservatives into the supreme court now seems more possible than ever), the racists are hoping that they'll eventually regain the power to enforce miscegenic (anti-interracial marriage) laws once again. You have all these people on the books as interracial couples. You get a racist regime. Boom, you can annul all interracial marriages.

In a country like America, the longer these laws sit on the books, the more chance racists have to start having them reinforced. This is part of the whole "states rights" battle as well where the racist states want independence to continue to discriminate against blacks.

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There are members of the court who believe that judicial activism goes against the wishes of the framers of the Constitution. There's always a big debate on judicial activism vs strict constitutionalism and the current Chief Justice John Roberts fancies himself as a constitutionalist and he sets the agenda.
The parallels between The Framers and the Holy Apostles, and The Constitution and The Bible are seemingly endless.


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It might be that these couples are after a quick buck or it might be that this lawsuit is being used as a way to get these laws taken off the books. The State can either pay a large sum to the plaintiffs or strike down the law and pay them some nominal settlement.
They can't get a quick buck from this. Their lawsuit asks for legal fees and to change the law. This isn't about getting a quick buck and it's not something that you can get a lot of money for.

This is a fabricated lawsuit though I think. Reading the summary of the couples of tried to marry makes me think that this was a setup to test the law. Nothing wrong with that though. When you have crazy and stupid laws on the book like this it's what needs to get done.

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Why would you even need to disclose your "race" in the first place?! USA is a strange country sometimes. In Europe this would have been illegal to ask.

And no, I'm not denying different ethnic groups and such exist. But what is even the point of getting asked suc ha question when all you do is want to get married? Is it for statistical purposes? If it was then they shouldn't force you to answer it. Usually when you buy a product at a store or something and they want to ask you for your postcode or your age for statistical purposes you're allowed to refuse to answer.
My guess is that at one point interracial marriage was illegal in all of these states. So there was a requirement that you disclose your race as part of getting married. Then the Supreme Courts says states can't ban interracial marriage. These states never bothered to change the laws.

Or the states wanted to collect data about the people getting married so they made it a requirement.

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Yup. More proof that there was a time when AmeriKKKans (obviously not Americans) absolutely adored Hitler. I've been seen more and more connections between AmeriKKKa's racist history and the mutual love affair between them and the Nazis. So much so that some parts had Hitler's Aryan hoax acknowledged into law.
Normally I would disagree but this blatantly jumped off the screen for me.

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I get their point, but to mess with the system they could have chosen "other" and then pretend to be part Alien when asked.
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