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U.S. to decline citizenship to legal immigrants on public assistance

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(Reuters) - U.S. President Donald Trumpís administration unveiled a sweeping rule on Monday that some experts say could cut legal immigration in half by denying visas and permanent residency to hundreds of thousands of people for being too poor.

The long-anticipated rule, pushed by Trumpís leading aide on immigration, Stephen Miller, takes effect Oct. 15. It would reject applicants for temporary or permanent visas if they fail to meet high enough income standards or if they receive public assistance such as welfare, food stamps, public housing or Medicaid.

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this is a guy that pretends to suck up to legal immigrants as well, fucking scumbag im telling you.

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In the UK we don't allow permanent residence to immigrants from outside the EU who don't meet a threshold of 20k a year.

Someone with better knowledge of the US system will have to explain why this could be a negative because it seems to come accross this way in the some of the circles I'm in.
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In the UK we don't allow permanent residence to immigrants from outside the EU who don't meet a threshold of 20k a year.

Someone with better knowledge of the US system will have to explain why this could be a negative because it seems to come accross this way in the some of the circles I'm in.
Well America is supposed to be the land of opportunity where people pull themselves up by their bootstraps, poor people used to come here, work hard, saved and opened up small businesses. In fact, in inner cities a very large portion of small businesses are owned by immigrants. This is just another one of his anti- brown person policies, he only wants rich white people from Norway.

Whenever Trumpsters say he's only against illegal immigration point to this policy.
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Well America is supposed to be the land of opportunity where people pull themselves up by their bootstraps, poor people used to come here, work hard, saved and opened up small businesses. In fact, in inner cities a very large portion of small businesses are owned by immigrants. This is just another one of his anti- brown person policies, he only wants rich white people from Norway.

Whenever Trumpsters say he's only against illegal immigration point to this policy.
Unless you have open borders that whole "give me your poor" falls flat right away. Its the year 2019 now.
Considering the amount of illegal immigrants the US have im suprised they dont have even harsher rules. Like a poster said before, the "demands" is pretty common looking at the european countries.
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Unless you have open borders that whole "give me your poor" falls flat right away. Its the year 2019 now.
Considering the amount of illegal immigrants the US have im suprised they dont have even harsher rules. Like a poster said before, the "demands" is pretty common looking at the european countries.
What does the amount of illegal immigration have to do with the standards for legal immigration? If anything wouldn't you want to make the standards less harsh to encourage people to "come here the right way"?

From what Draykorinee said it sounds like those standards in Europe only apply to people outside the EU, if that's the case that still potentially allows 508M people, some of which will come from poorer countries. It's not about keeping out poor people who are going to drain your country's resources, it's about keeping out people who don't have the same culture unless they can make up for it with wealth.

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In the UK we don't allow permanent residence to immigrants from outside the EU who don't meet a threshold of 20k a year.

Someone with better knowledge of the US system will have to explain why this could be a negative because it seems to come accross this way in the some of the circles I'm in.
Then I have to say that this is one thing that europeans don't have right either.

People can have normal, good, happy, prosperous lives and then go through hardship where in a shithole like America you are literally one PoS boss away from having your entire life ruined temporarily or long-term. I mean, it doesn't even have to be a boss. It can just be someone losing their job in a massive lay offs these fucking billionnaires do regularly. There have already been tons of layoffs in America this year and who knows how many of those people are currently on government assistance.

First you have a shithole where majority of employers can fire you without due process--- in most states you are allowed to fire without even giving a reason to allow massive corporations the ability to have layoffs simply for the sake of their bottom lines (at least most european countries got that right where it's harder to fire someone), then you have a shithole where the government can use that to deny you your citizenship even after you've spent years working towards it.

No matter how anyone spins it, a shithole doing shithole things doesn't really surprise me anymore.
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Well America is supposed to be the land of opportunity where people pull themselves up by their bootstraps, poor people used to come here, work hard, saved and opened up small businesses. In fact, in inner cities a very large portion of small businesses are owned by immigrants. This is just another one of his anti- brown person policies, he only wants rich white people from Norway.

Whenever Trumpsters say he's only against illegal immigration point to this policy.
Times changed. America needs to start getting serious about things.

I'm sorry, this is not the same fairytale world it was 30-40 years ago. Democrats need to wake up to that. Time to make moves based on the future not based on how things "used" to be.

I for one am happy that we have a president that is looking out his own poeple as he should. Maybe you should try supporting a president who's actually looking out for you and has your best interest in mind. Just a suggestion.

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Would be very interested to see how this would break down demographically. Which countries immigrants would be impacted more - ie shithole countries vs Nordic and European countries if you catch my drift.

How many Immigrant success stories begin with "I arrives with nothing in my pocket, but was willing to work hard..."?

Miller is legit evil, and Trump is stupid.
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Well America is supposed to be the land of opportunity where people pull themselves up by their bootstraps, poor people used to come here, work hard, saved and opened up small businesses. In fact, in inner cities a very large portion of small businesses are owned by immigrants. This is just another one of his anti- brown person policies, he only wants rich white people from Norway.

Whenever Trumpsters say he's only against illegal immigration point to this policy.
If they're on public assistance they're not really pulling themselves up by their bootstraps, rather they're being held up by the government.

Most countries prefer immigrants to be wealthy and well educated. They don't want people who will be a burden, and many have a preference for immigrants from rich countries with have excellent education systems.

Norway in particular is a great example of a country most other countries would be delighted to have immigrants from. Norway is a fantastic country, very safe, excellent social welfare system, very well educated people etc., there's no good reason to turn them away. They're not going to go to a foreign country to cause trouble, take advantage of the public services etc., because the US justice system is based around fucking people's lives up (Norway rehabilitates you) and the public services, welfare etc. in Norway are among the best in the world. The only reason to immigrate from Norway to the US is to make money - generating tax revenue for the US - or because you love the US.

Wanting people from Norway isn't some uniquely Trumpian thing. There are over thirty countries to which Norwegians can freely immigrate to, no questions asked, so long as they have the means to support themselves (i.e. a job or savings).

Trump is a terrible, terrible President, but there doesn't seem to be anything unreasonable about preferring wealthy immigrants.

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