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That was a justifiable shooting. The person didnt follow orders and put his hand behind his back. At that point the officer thought the person was pulling out a weapon.
A officers job is to ACT, not REACT. If you react, you will be no 2 in every situation. If he would have waited to see if the guy pulled out a gun, the guy could have shot the officer before the officer had time to react.
There was no time for the officer to see that the guy didnt pull out a gun. Science confirms this. When a person has decided to pull the trigger, you cant abort. From the time the brain has decided and until the trigger is pulled, it takes up to a second. But you cant abort during that second. The same reason why there are some cases where the suspect has been shot in the back. Because at the time the officer decided to pull the trigger the suspect was pointed towards him, but the time it took for the actual trigger to be pulled the suspect has time to turn his back. Its backed up by science and this is why officers go free in some cases.
If you want to see the actual gun being pulled by a suspect, its already too late. Then youre no 2. Like I said, a officer has to ACT and not REACT in these situations.
No it wasn't the video he linked sucked ass. There is a video out there of the entire situation and the cop screaming confusing conflicting directions at the guy and then low and behold he gets shot because the cop cant give clear concise directions

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No it wasn't the video he linked sucked ass. There is a video out there of the entire situation and the cop screaming confusing conflicting directions at the guy and then low and behold he gets shot because the cop cant give clear concise directions
Ive seen the full video. I would probably have done differently, it depends. I would have liked to have him on the ground and my partner can go ahed and handcuff him. But im guessing that the suspect is too close to the door, and there is no chance for the officers to know if anyone else is in the room. So they have to move him towards the police.

What instruction was even close to "put one hand behind your back in a motion that can cleary look like you are reaching for something"?
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So it seems to boil down to either:

The 2nd amendment gun rights are more important than anything at all, so therefore we can't even try anything close amending that, no matter really what happens.

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The problem is so damn complex and huge that really nothing can be done so let's not try anything.

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So it seems to boil down to either:



The 2nd amendment gun rights are more important than anything at all, so therefore we can't even try anything close amending that, no matter really what happens.



And/Or



The problem is so damn complex and huge that really nothing can be done so let's not try anything.
If no one has weapons of mass killing, no one needs to defend themselves from other people with weapons of mass killing and therefore it has a significant natural impact on gun ownership. It's no longer a cultural issue. How many countries have easily solved this problem.

It's only complex because a huge fuck ton of Americans simply lack in empathy. That's really all it is. Most countries where mass murder happens react immediately to find new ways to at least try to implement better reforms and controls and people themselves do it in large numbers because they have empathy for their fellow man.

It's not just in mass murder. You see American's lack of empathy through how broken our healthcare is, how terrible our job benefits are, how vicious and barbaric our military is, how many butchers we seem to have in our police force compared to other countries, how we treat people seeking refuge and asylum, how we use our law enforcement to incarcerate millions of people ...

I will admit that the complexity is in figuring out what in particular in America created such a huge population of low empathy humans. So much so that even living in a democracy these people somehow consistently vote low empathy individuals into positions of power and well.
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If no one has weapons of mass killing, no one needs to defend themselves from other people with weapons of mass killing and therefore it has a significant natural impact on gun ownership. It's no longer a cultural issue. How many countries have easily solved this problem.

It's only complex because a huge fuck ton of Americans simply lack in empathy. That's really all it is. Most countries where mass murder happens react immediately to find new ways to at least try to implement better reforms and controls and people themselves do it in large numbers because they have empathy for their fellow man.

It's not just in mass murder. You see American's lack of empathy through how broken our healthcare is, how terrible our job benefits are, how vicious and barbaric our military is, how many butchers we seem to have in our police force compared to other countries, how we treat people seeking refuge and asylum, how we use our law enforcement to incarcerate millions of people ...

I will admit that the complexity is in figuring out what in particular in America created such a huge population of low empathy humans. So much so that even living in a democracy these people somehow consistently vote low empathy individuals into positions of power and well.
Yeah in my response I was really parroting in general what I've heard the pro-gunners say.
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Ohio teen threatens to shoot federal agents, Planned Parenthood; had about 10,000 rounds of ammunition, 25 guns: Police

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An Ohio teenager threatened to shoot federal agents, a Planned Parenthood and a gay bar and was found at a residence that had a gun vault and around 10,000 rounds of ammunition, according to police and court documents.

Justin Olsen, 18, was the moderator of an online chat where he made light of mass shootings and made the threats against all federal agents, the nonprofit, and an undisclosed gay bar, according to a police report from the Boardman Police Department.

After searching his father's house in Boardman, a suburb south of Youngstown, FBI agents seized 15 rifles and 10 semi-automatic pistols, according to a criminal complaint. Investigators also observed an estimated 10,000 rounds of ammunition in one room and another 300 rounds of ammunition on the stairway leading to the second floor, according to the complaint.

ABC News could not immediately confirm who owned them, or if they were legally purchased.



When Olsen turned 18 in May, he boasted in a post that he couldn't “wait to start stockpiling weapons,” according to the police report.

He also wrote that he was planning on buying an AR-15 parts kit after posting a photo of it, the police report said.

The case began in February, when the FBI received a complaint about Olsen in Anchorage, Alaska, and traced his computer information back to Olsen's address.

On Aug. 6, an FBI agent approached a Boardman police detective with the information and “in light of the recent mass shootings in the United States," officials decided to arrest him. He was taken into custody the next day at his father's residence.

In the span of a week ahead of Olsen's arrest, 34 people were killed in three recent but separate mass shootings in El Paso, Texas (Aug. 3); Dayton, Ohio (Aug. 4); and Gilroy, California (July 28).

Olsen, who is charged with aggravated menacing, admitted to making the threats, according to police, but said it was all a joke and for fun.

He is currently being held at the Mahoning County Jail.

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Good thing the feds caught this little shithead incel before his "jokes" matured into a fatal matter.
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Ohio teen threatens to shoot federal agents, Planned Parenthood; had about 10,000 rounds of ammunition, 25 guns: Police



Good thing the feds caught this little shithead incel before his "jokes" matured into a fatal matter.
How does a teen stockpile that much weaponry?!

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Ohio teen threatens to shoot federal agents, Planned Parenthood; had about 10,000 rounds of ammunition, 25 guns: Police



Good thing the feds caught this little shithead incel before his "jokes" matured into a fatal matter.
Law Enforcement doing their thing? Wonders never cease! It's about time they did, many of the shooters were known to be threats or have signs and yet nothing was done.

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How does a teen stockpile that much weaponry?!
He lived with his dad so most of the guns were likely pops'.


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Law Enforcement doing their thing? Wonders never cease! It's about time they did, many of the shooters were known to be threats or have signs and yet nothing was done.
Exactly. Even with this arrest they knew about the guy since February.
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