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R Kelly - How did he get away the first time?

So I have been following the R Kelly case for the past few weeks, and I found out that he was tried for it in the early 2000s. Some of my friends told me that there was a tape showing him having inappropriate relations with an underage girl Some of them watched it, and confirmed that it was in fact him.

How did he get away with it when people are so sure that it was him in the tape?
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The girls family testified that it wasn't her on the tape.
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The skit from Chappelle's Show was basically accurate

Kelly's lawyers, fixers, Kelly himself, whoever, got the girl's family to say nope that is a different girl in the video it's not that underage girl the State says it was who is our relative. And since they said that the defense could argue the State doesn't know who that girl is they don't know if she was underage or not. And it worked

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I don't know the facts of this case, but I am going to assume there was reasonable doubt. It doesn't matter if Kelly is on tape having sex with a female. It matters if that female is under age or not consenting. That's what has to be proven beyond reasonable doubt, as that's the crime.


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The girls family testified that it wasn't her on the tape.
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The skit from Chappelle's Show was basically accurate

Kelly's lawyers, fixers, Kelly himself, whoever, got the girl's family to say nope that is a different girl in the video it's not that underage girl the State says it was who is our relative. And since they said that the defense could argue the State doesn't know who that girl is they don't know if she was underage or not. And it worked
What kind of a difference does that make? Who the f*** cares of what her parents have to say? A jury; an impartial jury would be able to see that it a) It was her in the tape regardless of what was being said and b) She was an underage girl who he was having sex with (I am assuming that the video has him having sex with her).

I just don't see how he got away with it unless the judge suppressed the video in the first place.

I am convinced that the USA jurisprudence is a joke; a bad joke. It's a system that has failed its own people countless times; OJ Simpson, Michael Jackson, Menendez brothers, R Kelly, Snoop Dogg, Kobe Bryant, Casey Anthony, and many more. There is a reason why certain countries of this world have abolished the jury system; because of bullsh** like this.
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What kind of a difference does that make? Who the f*** cares of what her parents have to say? A jury; an impartial jury would be able to see that it a) It was her in the tape regardless of what was being said and b) She was an underage girl who he was having sex with (I am assuming that the video has him having sex with her).

I just don't see how he got away with it unless the judge suppressed the video in the first place.

I am convinced that the USA jurisprudence is a joke; a bad joke. It's a system that has failed its own people countless times; OJ Simpson, Michael Jackson, Menendez brothers, R Kelly, Snoop Dogg, Kobe Bryant, Casey Anthony, and many more. There is a reason why certain countries of this world have abolished the jury system; because of bullsh** like this.
I dont disagree with you at all. Even as a kid when it happened I could see it was him on the tape with an underaged girl. Just goes to show that with enough money you can get away with just about anything.

It sucks that it's years and years later, but he's gonna pay for what he's done. There's all kinds of evidence being submitted. I'll be very surprised if he doesn't die in prison
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I dont disagree with you at all. Even as a kid when it happened I could see it was him on the tape with an underaged girl. Just goes to show that with enough money you can get away with just about anything.

It sucks that it's years and years later, but he's gonna pay for what he's done. There's all kinds of evidence being submitted. I'll be very surprised if he doesn't die in prison
What makes you think this time would be any different? If the law fails to convict him and fail the people as it had the previous time, what is to prevent him from running away to a country where extradition is not prohibited?
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What makes you think this time would be any different? If the law fails to convict him and fail the people as it had the previous time, what is to prevent him from running away to a country where extradition is not prohibited?
Well for one, I heard just yesterday that over 20 new tapes have been submitted. And these are submissions from several different sources. With the documentary that came out earlier this year there are women actually willing to come forward and testify against him.

In the earlier case, the only person willing to testify against him was sparkle. Which was an artist of his and a cousin of the girl on the tape. I think his defense painted her as a disgruntled former employee and her testimony didn't hold up.

He's going down this time man. Theres just too much evidence and too many people willing to bury him
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What kind of a difference does that make? Who the f*** cares of what her parents have to say? A jury; an impartial jury would be able to see that it a) It was her in the tape regardless of what was being said and b) She was an underage girl who he was having sex with (I am assuming that the video has him having sex with her).

I just don't see how he got away with it unless the judge suppressed the video in the first place.

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Didn't the Menendez bros get convicted?
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Well for one, I heard just yesterday that over 20 new tapes have been submitted. And these are submissions from several different sources. With the documentary that came out earlier this year there are women actually willing to come forward and testify against him.

In the earlier case, the only person willing to testify against him was sparkle. Which was an artist of his and a cousin of the girl on the tape. I think his defense painted her as a disgruntled former employee and her testimony didn't hold up.

He's going down this time man. Theres just too much evidence and too many people willing to bury him
Unless he runs away to a country where they won't extradite.

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Didn't the Menendez bros get convicted?
Right, I was referring to the trial that resulted in a mistrial. This whole thing really gets me because that SOB did irreparable damage to children and got away with it.
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