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So, Virtue Signalling

This term is now as we all now in the cultural zeitgeist as it were, and used often to criticise statements or actions by another, usually organisation.

The urban dictionary's first entry is this:

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To take a conspicuous but essentially useless action ostensibly to support a good cause but actually to show off how much more moral you are than everybody else.

Fred: I see George has changed his profile picture to show his support for refugees.
Barbara: Has he donated money or time? Is he giving English lessons? Is he making a room available?
Fred: No, no, he's just virtue signalling
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I would say that this example is something that most of us are guilty of, I certainly am - who else would agree? I mean based on this, to avoid virtue signalling we shouldn't really voice any opinion or behaviour with an objection to something if we haven't also taken up some action to make a difference?


There's also the second meaning which is almost the same but involves action based on vanity rather than actual concern with the issue.

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Advocating a political or philosophical position, and/or taking up a public cause, from a position of vanity, for the primary purpose of demonstrating your conformity with fashionable pop culture values.

Angela's sudden advocacy for the local pet shelter was mostly an exercise in public relations and virtue signalling. She had never much cared for dogs and cats before, but she instinctively understood teary-eyed public support for defenseless animals generally said something good about her as a person.
This is probably more common, but who's to say a position is based on vanity or not? I suppose in cases of politicians for example staying quiet on pertinent issues until they're in the news is probably a good example.


There's another entry which shows how the term can be abused which is quite common in my opinion:

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A term that is far too often used to dismiss an opposing opinion that is based on morals, ethics, or ideals, when the introduction of such into a debate could critically undermine one's stance.

Waldon: "But you CAN'T flatten that building to build a Walmart! Not only is it an orphanage, but the roof is a rare bird sanctuary, it's built over a graveyard AND an aquifer, hosts the only local live music night in the city on Wednesdays, and is a legally protected heritage site!"

Developer: "Don't listen to that virtue signalling hippy, boys, start up them bulldozers, we got a permit!
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It's kind of a shame because too me, all to often it's a crutch people can use to cynically dismiss anyone doing anything for a cause they don't agree with.

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Re: So, Virtue Signalling

Isn't the Twitter Virtue Signaling Central where injustices are slayed with hashtags and other sanctimonious gibberish?
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Isn't the Twitter Virtue Signaling Central where injustices are slayed with hashtags and other sanctimonious gibberish?
Probably. It was a real success this thread hey.

"You know I'm automatically attracted to beautiful — I just start kissing them. It's like a magnet. Just kiss. I don't even wait."

"I backed him. You can see how loyal he is. He was begging for my endorsement. I could have said, 'Mitt, drop to your knees.' He would have dropped to his knees."

"You oughta see this guy - 'uh, I don't know what I said, uh, I don't remember,'"

“I will build a great wall – and nobody builds walls better than me, believe me – and I’ll build them very inexpensively. I will build a great, great wall on our southern border, and I will make Mexico pay for that wall. Mark my words.”

"He is a war hero because he was captured. I like people who weren't captured."

"Covfefe"


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Re: So, Virtue Signalling

at the end of the day you're supposed to commit good deeds and be a good person because you believe that's the way you should conduct your life, not because you'll receive adulation for it.

for example i commend anyone that donates either their time or their money to a charitable cause, but when i see that same person intentionally broadcast it so that everyone can take notice i can't help but begin to question their motive. now it becomes less a selfless act.

and of course taking to twitter and claiming to be adamantly for or against a cause without ever having sacrificed in the name of it is a clear indication that someone is virtue signaling.
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Re: So, Virtue Signalling

"Virtue signalling" is an empty critique used by dumb people to justify their own bullshit. The last definition is probably the closest to what it means.

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"Virtue signalling" is an empty critique used by dumb people to justify their own bullshit. The last definition is probably the closest to what it means.
Love it. That's why the right love the term so much.

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"I backed him. You can see how loyal he is. He was begging for my endorsement. I could have said, 'Mitt, drop to your knees.' He would have dropped to his knees."

"You oughta see this guy - 'uh, I don't know what I said, uh, I don't remember,'"

“I will build a great wall – and nobody builds walls better than me, believe me – and I’ll build them very inexpensively. I will build a great, great wall on our southern border, and I will make Mexico pay for that wall. Mark my words.”

"He is a war hero because he was captured. I like people who weren't captured."

"Covfefe"


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When Brandi Rhodes came out at the start of Double or Nothing and started talking about being "Sensory Inclusive", that was some Stephanie McMahon tier BS.

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Re: So, Virtue Signalling

Like a lot of things it's very gray.

I think virtue signaling can do some good.... But all I've seen if do is cause some awareness and then everyone moves on.

It's the thoughts and prayers thing. It gets your average person who doesn't normally want to bother about the wrongs of this world to think they're doing some good for a few seconds. And show with everyone else. It's basically humorless feel good memes lol.

I remember years ago when that big attack in Paris happened. And you had the thing on Facebook where people filter the French flag into their pp. I don't remember how I felt about it at the time. But a lot of people were praising me for changing it. And thinking back it feels so stupid. What the hell did I do? I didn't really know one in France. Sure French people might of been touched by everyone changing their pictures.

But it didn't really mean a whole lot did it? It's a cheap and easy way to feel you're doing something. Hopefully it still promotes awareness to get people to actually try help instead of letting their social network buddies know they care.

But I feel like the media has desensitized us to all of that. With all the terrorist attacks and mass shootings year after year. We feel more and more hopeless to where virtual signaling is all we feel we can do. Thoughts and prayers. Because what else is there?

Actually making the world a better place each jelly fish at a time? Nah I got bills to pay and mouths to feed. I'll send positive energy for the poor girl in Kazakhstan instead. Lord knows my own house needs fixing first if I'll ever get there.

That's the reality of any activism really. Most people are just trying to live their own lives and putting themselves together.
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I think Andrew Yang said it best when he said virtue signaling is a very poor way to try to win elections. Obviously it's over prescribed at this point but it's also a very real thing.

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Re: So, Virtue Signalling

I find nowadays 'virtue signalling' has largely become a catch-all term used by absolute shitheads to refer to 'anyone showing any emotion or compassion about a thing I don't personally care about' because such shitheads are utter psychopaths who are so jaded and delusional in their worldview that they simply cannot comprehend the idea that someone might actually care about something in any way other than shallow pandering.

Basically right-wing twatbaskets on Facebook have utterly devalued the idea of 'virtue signalling' as a concept.
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