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Over 150 colleges will factor in "adversity score" looking at SAT results

The Reasoning Behind the SAT’s New ‘Disadvantage’ Score

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Most students’ paths to higher education are shaped by numbers: grade-point averages, class rankings, and infamously, standardized-test scores. Now students taking the College Board’s SAT will have another number thrown into the mix: a “disadvantage level.”

This fall, 150 colleges will start using this new metric, designed to capture students’ socioeconomic status and give context to test scores, according to The Wall Street Journal. The College Board is using a number of environmental factors that influence a student’s home and school life—including neighborhood crime rates, housing values and vacancies, the community’s average educational attainment, and poverty levels—to calculate this disadvantage level, which is scaled from 0 to 100 and is based on census data from each student’s neighborhood. Scores above 50 points indicate that the student has had to navigate more obstacles than average to get an education or have access to college, while scores below 50 signify students who have enjoyed more advantages than most of their peers. While students don’t see or know their score, admissions officers will be able to see an “environmental context dashboard,” which breaks down all the factors that go into the score.
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LOL at all the Conservatives this will trigger.
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LOL at all the Conservatives this will trigger.
1. this should rightfully "trigger" and annoy anyone who is a rational thinking individual, whether liberal or conservative.

2. you said you would ignore all my posts.
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1. this should rightfully "trigger" and annoy anyone who is a rational thinking individual, whether liberal or conservative.

2. you said you would ignore all my posts.
I can see threads you make those dont get blocked

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This is stupid, much like affirmative action, but at least it isn't race-based. Lesser evil I guess.
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I don't dislike the idea of it. Help poor kids get into school because they probably did have more shit to deal with. Fine.

I'm a little skeptical of doing it based on the statistics of the area they live in.

I only have my experiences to go by but it seems like it would punish people like me. My family didn't have a lot of money. I always lived in towns that were pretty nice and probably had good statistics. But I was still poor.

And it's going to favor people in cities. In rural and suburban areas they're going to get classified in being in good districts because there will also be rich kids in their towns and going to school with them. The kids in the trailer park next to a nice area won't qualify even though they have the same issues as people that are just in poor areas.
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I don't dislike the idea of it. Help poor kids get into school because they probably did have more shit to deal with. Fine.

I'm a little skeptical of doing it based on the statistics of the area they live in.

I only have my experiences to go by but it seems like it would punish people like me. My family didn't have a lot of money. I always lived in towns that were pretty nice and probably had good statistics. But I was still poor.

And it's going to favor people in cities. In rural and suburban areas they're going to get classified in being in good districts because there will also be rich kids in their towns and going to school with them. The kids in the trailer park next to a nice area won't qualify even though they have the same issues as people that are just in poor areas.
with all due respect why should that matter? these schools are supposed to be producing the next generation of professionals. they should be looking at the best and the brightest, nothing else. does the NBA draft players based on talent and potential or do they draft based on who had the least economic privilege?

or what about tiger woods? you can argue that he owes his greatness as a golfer entirely to privilege. he grew up affluent. his father, who was a ranked amateur himself, trained tiger since he was a toddler. he was ex-navy too so he was allowed to use their golf courses anytime he wanted so that tiger could practice.

not every kid is as lucky as tiger. they might not have a father figure like that who molds them to be successful. they might not have any golf courses where they live. so? what should we do about this? should we lower the standards in professional golf so that they have a more of a chance of competing? or should we make it tougher for people like tiger to break through because he's too privileged?

employers and CEO's don't care about what kind of privilege you had or lack thereof, they just want whoever is best and most qualified for the job. these schools are not only setting these kids up for failure, they are simultaneously destroying the value of their own degrees.
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with all due respect why should that matter? these schools are supposed to be producing the next generation of professionals. they should be looking at the best and the brightest, nothing else. does the NBA draft players based on talent and potential or do they draft based on who had the least economic privilege?

or what about tiger woods? you can argue that he owes his greatness as a golfer entirely to privilege. he grew up affluent. his father, who was a ranked amateur himself, trained tiger since he was a toddler. he was ex-navy too so he was allowed to use their golf courses anytime he wanted so that tiger could practice.

not every kid is as lucky as tiger. they might not have a father figure like that who molds them to be successful. they might not have any golf courses where they live. so? what should we do about this? should we lower the standards in professional golf so that they have a more of a chance of competing? or should we make it tougher for people like tiger to break through because he's too privileged?

employers and CEO's don't care about what kind of privilege you had or lack thereof, they just want whoever is best and most qualified for the job. these schools are not only setting these kids up for failure, they are simultaneously destroying the value of their own degrees.
I'm comfortable saying that the goal of public colleges is not producing the best professionals they can but serving the public. Breaking the cycle of poverty is a pretty good goal of schools.

I got a bunch of financial aid in school because my parents were poor. I'm doing good now financially but I have six figure debt at 8% interest. It's my upwards mobility tax. If my parents had more money and paid for me to go to school I wouldn't have to pay $500 a month in loan payments that I needed to take out to get a better job. I was at a constant disadvantage in school because my family was poor. I had to work in college to pay my rent and feed myself. In the middle of studying for the bar exam after law school I was unloading a truck with my father because he ran his own business.

The comparison about what employers want is a true statement. But you seem to be indicating that poor people will do worse than rich ones after getting a college education. Like they let the poor kid with straight Bs into the college, he does well, and graduates. I don't think he's any better or worse as a potential employee than the rich kid who got straight As and did equally well at the same college.
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I'm comfortable saying that the goal of public colleges is not producing the best professionals they can but serving the public. Breaking the cycle of poverty is a pretty good goal of schools.

I got a bunch of financial aid in school because my parents were poor. I'm doing good now financially but I have six figure debt at 8% interest. It's my upwards mobility tax. If my parents had more money and paid for me to go to school I wouldn't have to pay $500 a month in loan payments that I needed to take out to get a better job. I was at a constant disadvantage in school because my family was poor. I had to work in college to pay my rent and feed myself. In the middle of studying for the bar exam after law school I was unloading a truck with my father because he ran his own business.

The comparison about what employers want is a true statement. But you seem to be indicating that poor people will do worse than rich ones after getting a college education. Like they let the poor kid with straight Bs into the college, he does well, and graduates. I don't think he's any better or worse as a potential employee than the rich kid who got straight As and did equally well at the same college.
if they lower the standard of admittance, it's only a mater of time before the lower the standards of passing and graduating.

a straight A high school student probably has more talent and potential than a straight B high school student. it's not a given, but it's probable.
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This wouldn't be so much of a problem if the actual SAT results were the standard, so if a student from both a well off background and a student from a poorer background got the same results, and the college chose the student from the poorer background, then I would have little issue with that. The problem is it doesn't normally work like that, universities/colleges and some employers like to use quotas in order to fill a certain set of diversity whether it's done by race, ethnicity or in this case by class background. Too often, if the results are comparable but the person with the well off background gets a better score, they will take the person from that particular race or ethnicity because to the college, there's either not enough people of that said race/ethnicity or there is too many from one particular race/ethnicity which is dominating the university in terms of admission. The case in Harvard with Asian Americans who have filed a lawsuit against the university is a great example.

This leads to a two tier system, which in this example, it may very well be the case that those from a more "privileged" area and/or background will have to score significantly higher in their SATs to even have a chance to reach the university they are going for. All because they had the misfortune of being born into a wealthier and more comfortable position. I don't like the idea of punishing students for being lucky enough to have a decent upbringing. It reeks of original sin which is so prevalent in "privilege" type arguments.

I'd rather try to help those from a disadvantaged place in their primary and secondary school education by giving them more school choice instead of being tied to failing government schools rather than by using quotas to effectively punish those who were fortunate enough to not be in the same situation. I know that isn't the intention but it's often the result.

Very skeptical about this move.


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