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post #3061 of 3089 (permalink) Old 10-09-2019, 09:28 AM
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Turkey didn't waste any time. Better send back the world police.

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I would like to think the majority of Americans dont give a fuck about syria or turkey and cant point them on a map. The fake news can cry all they want most people dont want their troops dead or paying for countries wars across the ocean.

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I'm wondering if some Euro leaders put trump up to this, Turkey has been trying to bully their way into the EU and basically hold Europe over a barrel on certain issues. Wondering if this is to distract the crazy Turkish leadership into focusing on the US over Europe.
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I guarantee you that no European leader told Trump to threaten to destroy and obliterate the economy of Turkey (He's done before!) if they do something that he, in his unmatched wisdom, considers to be off limits. Europe's not happy about the US disengaging and doesn't want Turkey to attack the Kurds, but there's no way in the world they'd be in support of threats like this.

Turkey will never focus on the US over Europe. Europe is relevant to its interests in a way that the US can never be because Europe is right on its doorstep. It will never be allowed to join the EU either for a number of reasons. The biggest hurdle is that the EU requires unanimity to admit a new member state, Greece will never consent while Turkey holds Northern Cyprus.
There are also a number of countries which aren't too friendly to Islam in the European Union, especially since the eastern expansion, and the EU has standards for democracy which the Erdogan regime cannot meet.

What this is is Trump responding to domestic pressure. In withdrawing he's seen as throwing the Kurds under the bus which has been widely criticised. By making a high profile tweet like this he can say he's not throwing them under the bus, he's ensured their security by telling Turkey that if they do anything unacceptable he'll ruin them.
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Fucking liberals, I swear. Trump wants to get the fuck out of Syria, a place we illegally invaded and occupied in the first place, and he gets attacked relentlessly. Mind you, he has been getting heat from right wing neocons over this as well but it is the liberals that really irk me in this situation. Why the fuck do these "resistance" jackasses keep putting me in a position where I have to defend the great orange buffoon? Getting out of Syria is the correct call! We never should have fucking been there in the first place.

The problem as I see it with this entire scenario is the USA playing an active role in preventing the Kurds from allying with Assad. The Kurds live in Syria. Assad is the legitimate leader of Syria. Ya don't want Turkey invading Syria and killing Kurds? Stop fucking trying to take out Assad. Let that region deal with that region's problems.

Jesus tap dancing Christ. Everything the USA touches with it's foreign policy turns to shit and Trump gets blasted on the rare occasion he accidentally stumbles into the correct decision. People need to stop being partisan hacks and actually care more about policy than the person implementing it.
As entertaining as Trumpís promo might have been on Turkey, he isnít going to do anything to destroy Turkey unless itís on whole wheat bread with lettuce, tomato and ketchup. Throughout his administration all of his tough talk has been just that, talk. Remember ďRocket ManĒ? Now North Korea launches rockets and nothing is done.

He is doing this for one reason only, and itís been his MO throughout his presidency. Anytime he has negative press he throws out red meat to his base. A substantial number of his supporters want no war no matter what. He campaigned on bringing the troops home. Pulling troops out of Syria is a promise kept in his eyes. I guarantee you it will come up in his Thursday night rally in Minneapolis. He will say that the Democrats donít want the troops home and wants endless wars, etc. But he feels it will garner him support from his base.

So, make no mistake...Trump might be doing the right thing but for all the wrong reasons. And as much as itís easy to say let them hash it out over there, itís not that simple. At the very least, you see a Turkish massacre of the Kurds and yet another abandonment of an ally in the region.

However, rumblings through NATO, Saudi Arabia, and even Israel are feeling like the United States canít be trusted as an ally. They especially point to the Iranian attack on the Saudi oilfield this summer as an example. The United States doing nothing which makes us look weak. There is a fine line between prudence and cowardice and our allies feel we are at the latter. Why does it matter? Iíll explain in a moment.

Now, worse case scenario is the region boils into a full blown war. You have ISIS who could find a way to escape the prisons the Kurds are guarding. No one else is going to step up to help. With no one else caring, it would be a matter of time before the Islamic State sets up shop again. This time it might expand beyond Syria and reach Europe, Asia, and maybe the States. It would be Trumpís ďMission AccomplishedĒ moment.

Now, one could look at Iran stepping in to move closer to Israel to commit hostilities. Israel may also intervene if conflict gets close to their borders which may further exacerbate matters. The region could explode into a larger conflict which would threaten the whole Middle East. Eventually, it reaches a point where we might have to go back. The next time we wonít have support from our allies.

All of the rest is what-if. But the Turks slaughtering the Kurds is a reality. Trump tossed a people that worked with us under the bus. And he only did it for himself and not for the greater good. So, he did the right thing but for all the wrong reasons.



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All of the rest is what-if. But the Turks slaughtering the Kurds is a reality. Trump tossed a people that worked with us under the bus. And he only did it for himself and not for the greater good. So, he did the right thing but for all the wrong reasons.
I'm confused. Tossing allies "under the bus" is doing the right thing? Why should anyone trust the US if that's considered "the right thing" or, at least, acceptable trade-off for what benefits the US in some form?

I've always respected, if not agreed, with you opinions but unless I'm reading your post incorrectly - which I hope is the case - I can't respect this.
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If the Kurds are getting attacked then NATO need to deal with it. The US are not the world police.

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If the Kurds are getting attacked then NATO need to deal with it. The US are not the world police.
What do you mean by "deal with it", attack Turkey? And why is it NATO's business any moreso than the US? NATO is a mutual defence alliance, it's not the world police either.

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I'm confused. Tossing allies "under the bus" is doing the right thing? Why should anyone trust the US if that's considered "the right thing" or, at least, acceptable trade-off for what benefits the US in some form?

I've always respected, if not agreed, with you opinions but unless I'm reading your post incorrectly - which I hope is the case - I can't respect this.
The right thing refers to withdrawing the troops from Syria in the first place. Trump is doing it for his own selfish benefit...bonus points with his cult but at the expense of throwing the Kurds to the wolves. So, hope that clears things up.

There is nothing acceptable about abandoning an ally unless you have a good reason. This ainít it.

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If the Kurds are getting attacked then NATO need to deal with it. The US are not the world police.
Then the US will still have to deal with it, considering both us and Turkey are members of the North Atlantic Treaty Organization.
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If the Kurds are getting attacked then NATO need to deal with it. The US are not the world police.
What do you mean by "deal with it", attack Turkey? And why is it NATO's business any moreso than the US? NATO is a mutual defence alliance, it's not the world police either.
No, of course not. I dunno tbh, my first thought was suspending them from NATO, but suspending them seems like an impossible task, I guess the UN would have to put in sanctions if they attacked the Kurds.

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The time really sure flew. It's surreal hoe quickly time goes by these days.

I've been trying to not pay any attention to him since he was elected, and to be honest, I haven't really felt the effects of his tenure.

I am mostly interested in talking about the story and not the actual behind-the-scenes politics.
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The time really sure flew. It's surreal hoe quickly time goes by these days.

I've been trying to not pay any attention to him since he was elected, and to be honest, I haven't really felt the effects of his tenure.
Most people except the rich won't, that's kinda the problem, he's maintained the status quo with the neocon and the establishment. If ever there was a false populist it's trump.

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