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Yeah he'd stand a chance against them. Those aren't the greatest of candidates. Tulsi perhaps is the best. Warren is terrible. Bernie has his supporters but he's annoying. It's all about personality these days. Personality has always mattered since television/video began to influence these things.

He could conceivably out fake tough-guy Trump's very fake tough-guy.

Trump bases his character off of a Steven Segal character.

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The most popular politician in American politics would be a dream for conservatives.


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Absolutely would be. In 2016 Bernie would've smoked Trump. Now? Not a chance.

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Absolutely would be. In 2016 Bernie would've smoked Trump. Now? Not a chance.
I'm just unsure how that is true. According to polls he's the most popular politician and he's ahead of Trump in polls in regards to an imaginary vote. His platform, whilst many will lambast, is a populist movement which the polls suggest is far more popular than the Wrestling forum would have you believe.

I'm not a massive believer in polls, but there is not a single one that would suggest Bernie would even LOSE to Trump let alone not stand a chance and his political stances are seeing even larger numbers supporting it. For example medicare for all now has a 70% approval among Americans, up from 50%, and even among Republican voters it now have a majority approval rating.

All of this is happening while Trumps pollings are falling (Depends on the poll by how much)

I'd agree he's not as strong as before but neither is Trump, Jan 2017 his Disapproval rating was 47% and now its 53%.

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I'm just unsure how that is true. According to polls he's the most popular politician and he's ahead of Trump in polls in regards to an imaginary vote. His platform, whilst many will lambast, is a populist movement which the polls suggest is far more popular than the Wrestling forum would have you believe.

I'm not a massive believer in polls, but there is not a single one that would suggest Bernie would even LOSE to Trump let alone not stand a chance and his political stances are seeing even larger numbers supporting it. For example medicare for all now has a 70% approval among Americans, up from 50%, and even among Republican voters it now have a majority approval rating.

All of this is happening while Trumps pollings are falling (Depends on the poll by how much)

I'd agree he's not as strong as before but neither is Trump, Jan 2017 his Disapproval rating was 47% and now its 53%.
He's a radical. The right would never vote for him and once he's forced to debate with Trump he'd get destroyed. He plays off being likeable. Once people inevitably learn he's not this super great guy he comes off as and his policies aren't realistic he'd be done. FWIW since you like using numbers. Vegas has Trump winning in 2020 at 3/2, and Bernie at 14/1. Also LOL at you quoting fucking Vox.

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lol bernie would squash trump in 2020.

2016 was not the election of Donald J. Trump. It was the rejection of Hillary Rodham Clinton.

as long as the dems don't rig the primaries for a corrupt establishment dem, they'll win easily. and even if they try, i'm not sure it'll work this time as bernie's popularity has only gotten larger.

bernie would win all the states hillary did, plus the rust belt, plus possibly florida.

trump has done nothing the past two years, and will do nothing in the next two, but alienate african-americans, hispanics, women, and young people from voting for him. and in fact, has encouraged them to show up to the polls in droves against him with his stances and policies on child separation at the border, the national anthem, failing of puerto rico recovery, his blatant disrespect to women with is unwavering loyalty to scum like roy moore and brett kavanaugh, and of course those god-awful tax cuts that only benefit the rich.

people like me who sat at home on election day in 2016 have all the more reason to get out and vote in 2020. and if you give us someone who excites us with popular populist policies... then lordy, it'll be a bloodbath.

i live in a deep red state, so most of my family is conservative. yet half of them told me they would've voted bernie instead of trump in 2016 if he'd have been the nominee.

turns out, populist policies like getting money out of politics, medicare for all, college for all, and ending the wars are bipartisan issues to the majority of americans.
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Bernie would show up, get destroyed in every debate because he doesn't have a realistic platform, get called out for his rape paper he wrote, his wife embezzling money and how he tried covering it up. He'd be crippled. None of that impacts Trump because everyone knows he's a douche. Once people find out Bernie isn't this nice, honest guy he'd be done as falling back on "free college" isn't going to fly with anyone who has a brain. If you're coming out to vote for Bernie Sanders after skipping 2016, I highly question your critical thinking ability.

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I mean...what is the alternative? Neoconservatism and neoliberalism are better than anarchy or communism to me. Do you want the green party governing with more social justice? O_o
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Bernie would show up, get destroyed in every debate because he doesn't have a realistic platform, get called out for his rape paper he wrote, his wife embezzling money and how he tried covering it up. He'd be crippled. None of that impacts Trump because everyone knows he's a douche. Once people find out Bernie isn't this nice, honest guy he'd be done as falling back on "free college" isn't going to fly with anyone who has a brain. If you're coming out to vote for Bernie Sanders after skipping 2016, I highly question your critical thinking ability.
I mean there's only so much naivety you can put in a post but this is pretty much full to the brim.

You really think after Trump people will care about the embezzlement? Trump paid 25 million dollars out because his University defrauded students. Trump has paved the way for any crook or sexual predator to be president as long as they appeal to a populist movement.

Right now, whether or not you think his platform is credible, the majority of the electorate do believe in it and they want it.

Free college is supported by the majority, medicare for all is supported by the majority, his anti-war stance is supported by the majority, his gun law reform is overwhelmingly supported. Your complete dismissal of the facts and presentation of purely subjective opinions and flawed assessments are noted.

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