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I don't know any democrat running on not kicking out illegal immigrants or dealing with illegal immigrants, they just don't want to criminalise them. Funnily its a far more libertarian position to take but fake libertarians will always push for harder punishments of illegal immigrants for some reason.

I really wish people wouldn't be so openly disingenuous and making me defend Democrats.
What do you think the punishment should be for sneaking into the country illegally?

Why offer them free healthcare?
Deportation. There's also this idea of sneaking in illegally, the majority don't sneak in and they're generally working. Most tend to stay illegally.

I don't agree with free healthcare unless it's a life threatening emergency or kids, we don't really have that even in the UK, although to be fair our system is abused because we have a poor way to monitor who uses it.

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I know you're red pilled now but you don't have to be that obvious about your falsehoods and bipartisanship.

Open borders as we all know means no border security, you can spin all you like, but lying and smearing is lazy.
Oh okay, you're using a purposefully narrow definition to support your laughable defense of the Democratic Party.

I don't care if there's guards there or not if they're just going to escort them inside and then cut them loose, which is what we have now.
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No civil or criminal penalties for crossing the border without permission
No increase in the number of immigration judges
Broadening of the asylum criteria so things like domestic abuse, high crime levels, or bad economic conditions in a migrant's country of origin qualify the migrant for asylum (which is supposed to be for people who are repressed by their government or are suffering pogroms, not my husband beats me or my neighborhood is gang infested or the economy sucks)
No verification of the validity of the asylum claims made under these broader standards
Minimal or no detainment of those who claim asylum until their case is determined

That is de facto open borders. If you come here, you can pick from a host of reasons for claiming asylum that are unprecedented and essentially grant anyone on the earth not residing in the US a valid asylum claim, you will not be held until your court date, and there are so few judges your case won't be heard until 3-4 years after you claim asylum anyway, which you will spend living free in the United States. If you don't show up to your court date no one will come after you

That is de facto open borders no matter how angrily you insist it isn't

That is also the position of all the Democratic candidates... except for those that also want to completely abolish ICE and CBP as well
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Deportation. There's also this idea of sneaking in illegally, the majority don't sneak in and they're generally working. Most tend to stay illegally.

I don't agree with free healthcare unless it's a life threatening emergency or kids, we don't really have that even in the UK, although to be fair our system is abused because we have a poor way to monitor who uses it.
There needs to exist some fear of punishment. If there were large groups of people illegally entering Disneyland do you think they would just escort them out of the park and call it a day? What kind of message does that send to would be trespassers? More than likely they're pressing charges.

A crime is a crime. Entering the country illegally and staying in the country illegally are both crimes, hence they need to be criminalized.
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Wow, this guy just totally destroyed the "county of immigrants/muh poem" arguments. Really impressive.

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Erin Burnett admitting that she couldn't get admission as an immigrant to the US on her own merits when she says she wouldn't be here if her grandparents had been denied residency

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I loved it when she said.. "And I'm anchor on CNN"... as if to insinuate she's special or something and we should all be so blessed to have welcomed her family here.

I don't think she understands how replaceable and unimportant she is. She reads words off a teleprompter. She's not exactly some indispensable member of society.
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Erin Burnett admitting that she couldn't get admission as an immigrant to the US on her own merits when she says she wouldn't be here if her grandparents had been denied residency
Guess she didn't get the memo that Europeans get a free pass. Which is why I know so many eastern Europeans who had to go through tons of red tape to get here while people from Mexico and Central/South America just waltz in, skip a court date, and have anchor babies all while one of the two major parties caters to their every whim. 'Cause our country is so damn white supremacist.

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Guess she didn't get the memo that Europeans get a free pass. Which is why I know so many eastern Europeans who had to go through tons of red tape to get here while people from Mexico and Central/South America just waltz in, skip a court date, and have anchor babies all while one of the two major parties caters to their every whim. 'Cause our country is so damn white supremacist.
Geographic privilege is a serious issue of social justice

Why should Mexicans or Hondurans benefit from their privilege of geographic proximity to the United States, a privilege Ukrainians or Nigerians do not enjoy. The oppression resulting from this unfair system of physical realities is intolerable

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Guess she didn't get the memo that Europeans get a free pass. Which is why I know so many eastern Europeans who had to go through tons of red tape to get here while people from Mexico and Central/South America just waltz in, skip a court date, and have anchor babies all while one of the two major parties caters to their every whim. 'Cause our country is so damn white supremacist.
Why is it, in your opinion, that all the attention goes to anchor babies and people sneaking across the border when the majority of people in the country illegally entered legally initially and overstayed their visas?
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