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Physics, not psychics. JFC.
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Yeah it's a pretty common talking point among progressives and liberals right now that the world is literally *ending* in 12 years. I live on the coast in the most liberal part of the country. Despite what people say in the coffee shops and on the college campuses, nobody here is living their lives like the world is ending in 12 years. In fact, most of the people leaving California right now do it because of high taxes (imagine how high they'll be if something like the Green New Deal passes ), not because of climate change concerns.



Seen so many bad takes today trying to link the pro-life movement to WHITE SUPREMACY, the boogeyman of left-wing politics these days.


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It's amusing that the scientifically illiterate person cannot figure out how to use the quote function.

Also, @ quoting AOC. She's not a scientist and that is not what the scientists are saying. I thought you would have understood that I was talking about scientists and not idiot politicians but I suppose I gave you too much credit. Next time I will bring the crayons.

Like I said, I am not going to argue the science with you for the same reason I do not try to explain to a creationist that the world is older than 6000 years and evolution is real. It's a pointless waste of time. Either you accept reality or you do not. You shouldn't need a science degree to understand pollution is bad. All you need is a little common sense.

But, again, if you would be interested in discussing new technologies and how we transition to them, that would be a conversation worth having. Even if you cannot accept the science around climate change, you should at least be able to understand that developing new technology is a good thing. Why would you not want free energy sources? Why would you want to continue paying nonstop for fossil fuel energy when nature provides it for free? Sunlight is free. Wind is free. After the infrastructure is built, the energy provides itself and we take power out of the hands of oil oligarchs. That can only be a good thing for society as a whole.

You know what else it would do? It would go a long ways towards ending wars. The endless wars in the Middle East are for control of fossil fuels. The reason the USA is trying to topple the government of Venezuela is for control of fossil fuels. If ending wars is something you care about, ending our reliance on fossil fuels as an energy source should be of interest to you.

Something else you should consider... while the rest of the world is developing new energy technologies, the USA is continuing to invest in old energy technologies. Whether or not you understand the science of climate change, you should at least be able to understand what it would mean for the USA to fall behind the rest of the world in new tech. All the old energy and military tech in the world is not going to help the USA when we cannot keep with up with the rest of the world in new energy technologies.

The point is, there is a lot more to this conversation than just the climate science itself. You don't have to accept climate science to understand that clinging to old tech while the rest of the world invests in new tech will not lead to good outcomes for those stuck in the past.

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It is not surprising in the least that someone who does not understand the difference between weather and climate would be ignorant of science.
why are banks still giving out 30 year mortgages if the world is going to be under water in half that time?
I've read some dumb stuff before but I think this takes the biscuit. Just mega stupid.
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I've read some dumb stuff before but I think this takes the biscuit. Just mega stupid.
i mean you guys keep insisting this, but you haven't provided a legitimate counter argument at all. just "derp this is stupid derp".

the big lenders and the big land developers are clearly betting against global warming. if they aren't afraid... why should anyone else be?
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You openly deny the basic science of when a human life begins, which has always been, conception.
Let's try to deal in reality, not fantasy. Science has never PROVEN that human life begins at conception. That's a human debate that has merit on both sides. Don't act as if you have some indisputable scientific evidence on that side, because you don't, and neither does the opposition. It's a debate of semantics and splitting hairs, but to act as though science has produced something that definitively proves you right, on either side, is simply false.

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Come on man don't be ridiculous, you're better than that. Are climate scientists getting tons of money, do they get more than non-renewable energy big wigs?
I was only half joking to be honest, but its a can't miss job if ever there was one in the science fields. Anyway, it is true that if someones research(in any field) doesn't show positive results, they'll get their funding pulled and lose their job. Besides, its not as if scientists haven't at the very least, mislead the public before

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Let's try to deal in reality, not fantasy. Science has never PROVEN that human life begins at conception. That's a human debate that has merit on both sides. Don't act as if you have some indisputable scientific evidence on that side, because you don't, and neither does the opposition. It's a debate of semantics and splitting hairs, but to act as though science has produced something that definitively proves you right, on either side, is simply false.
I mean, this conversation was about climate change but I'll respond to you on this. There really isn't much room, if any for interpretation on when life begins, its been a scientific fact for many years now. People who say its not a life, is willfully ignoring this because those people don't want to have to deal with what an abortion actually is, taking a human life away. If people had more courage to just state that they believe its a right, and not try to dance around that false arguments, I'd almost be willing to respect that person a little more. Then again, there are people who believe 9 months is perfectly acceptable to abort because its "not a human" even then And I'm considered the horrible person in all of this....

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The predominance of human biological research confirms that human life begins at conception—fertilization. At fertilization, the human being emerges as a whole, genetically distinct, individuated zygotic living human organism, a member of the species Homo sapiens, needing only the proper environment in order to grow and develop. The difference between the individual in its adult stage and in its zygotic stage is one of form, not nature. This statement focuses on the scientific evidence of when an individual human life begins."

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There really isn't much room, if any for interpretation on when life begins, its been a scientific fact for many years now. People who say its not a life, is willfully ignoring this because those people don't want to have to deal with what an abortion actually is, taking a human life away. If people had more courage to just state that they believe its a right, and not try to dance around that false arguments, I'd almost be willing to respect that person a little more. Then again, there are people who believe 9 months is perfectly acceptable to abort because its "not a human" even then And I'm considered the horrible person in all of this....
This is a fair counterpoint! And I don't believe anyone should be considered a "horrible person" no matter where they fall on this debate, simply because it's so fraught. Personally, I believe a woman should have the right to choose up until halfway through the pregnancy, but I can see the argument on both sides. Neither is right or wrong.

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Yeah it's a pretty common talking point among progressives and liberals right now that the world is literally *ending* in 12 years. I live on the coast in the most liberal part of the country. Despite what people say in the coffee shops and on the college campuses, nobody here is living their lives like the world is ending in 12 years. In fact, most of the people leaving California right now do it because of high taxes (imagine how high they'll be if something like the Green New Deal passes ), not because of climate change concerns.



Seen so many bad takes today trying to link the pro-life movement to WHITE SUPREMACY, the boogeyman of left-wing politics these days.
Pretty soon they'll try to link education to white supremacy.. Oh wait.. They tried that already. Yes, stay dumb, don't learn from the ebil white men, all you need to know comes from us. ONE OF US! ONE OF US!

I seen an Occupy Democrat meme that I hope to God was a photoshop because if not it's retarded. It was something like if they renamed schools to uterus that Conservatives would care about dead children.. Except pro-choice says that abortion isn't about aborting children, in fact a fetus isn't a child. Yet their "witty" meme says otherwise.

We need moar abortion because of climate change but we need more immigration because of population decline... Can these people get on the same damn page?

World will end in 12 years? Wow haven't Religious people been predicting this for centuries? This time it will happen, just you wait everyone!

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