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Give me an explanation as to why the bulk of adjustments of past temperature readings were downward adjustments, and why we should believe current climate models when previous climate models have consistently been proven wrong by contemporary adjustments of past temperature readings, and I'll reconsider

Please keep in mind that past models and temperature readings were presented with the same amount of confidence and used in the same bullying fashion - MUH 97%! - despite being inaccurate.

Please keep in mind that from 2012-2014 the "scientific consensus" vociferously denied that there had been no statistically significant warming since 1998. Then, in 2015, the "scientific consensus" grudgingly admitted that yes, the data showed a "pause." Then, in 2016, the NOAA loudly announced that scientists the world over, the best and the brightest experts in the field, had re-examined and revised past temperature data readings because they were allegedly inaccurate, and presto change-o, suddenly a clear warming trend in the data appeared from 1998-2015

Why should current models and readings be trusted, when apparently the earth was cooler in the past than claimed at the time? The data and models then were presented with a level of absolute confidence. Just as they are today. Now, that previous level of absolute confidence is acknowledged to have been misplaced, but that is handwaved away. Previous is the wrong word, because the same level of absolute confidence is exhibited in the presentation of contemporary computer models and temperature measurements

What happens when, in 15 years, the "consequences" of global warming have still failed to materialize, and the temperature readings being taken today are adjusted downwards, so 2035 can be proclaimed "the hottest year 'ever'"? Are you still going to trust in 97% OF SCIENTISTS AGREE?

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Banalities aren't really a response

Give me an explanation as to why the bulk of adjustments of past temperature readings were downward adjustments, and why we should believe current climate models when previous climate models have consistently been proven wrong by contemporary adjustments of past temperature readings, and I'll reconsider

Please keep in mind that past models and temperature readings were presented with the same amount of confidence and used in the same bullying fashion - MUH 97%! - despite being inaccurate.

Please keep in mind that from 2012-2014 the "scientific consensus" vociferously denied that there had been no statistically significant warming since 1998. Then, in 2015, the "scientific consensus" grudgingly admitted that yes, the data showed a "pause." Then, in 2016, the NOAA loudly announced that scientists the world over, the best and the brightest experts in the field, had re-examined and revised past temperature data readings because they were allegedly inaccurate, and presto change-o, suddenly a clear warming trend in the data appeared from 1998-2015

Why should current models and readings be trusted, when apparently the earth was cooler in the past than claimed at the time? The data and models then were presented with a level of absolute confidence. Just as they are today. Now, that previous level of absolute confidence is acknowledged to have been misplaced, but that is handwaved away. Previous is the wrong word, because the same level of absolute confidence is exhibited in the presentation of contemporary computer models and temperature measurements

What happens when, in 15 years, the "consequences" of global warming have still failed to materialize, and the temperature readings being taken today are adjusted downwards, so 2035 can be proclaimed "the hottest year 'ever'"? Are you still going to trust in 97% OF SCIENTISTS AGREE?
I could explain to you how evolution is a real thing and that the planet is not flat as well and it would achieve about the same level of scientific understanding from you.

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they can't even predict the weather correctly from day to day but they know what's going to take place in 15-20 years?

sure.
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The Alabama State Senate just passed a near-total abortion ban in a 25 to 6 vote. The legislation provides no exceptions for rape or incest.

The bill now heads to Governor Kay Ivey, a Republican. If she signs it, the bill will become law. Up until Tuesday she has withheld public comment on the legislation.

The legislation -- House Bill 314, "Human Life Protection Act" -- bans all abortions in the state except when "abortion is necessary in order to prevent a serious health risk" to the woman, according to the bill's text. It criminalizes the procedure, reclassifying abortion as a Class A felony, punishable by up to 99 years in prison for doctors.

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"It's a sad day in Alabama," said Senate Minority Leader Bobby Singleton in the debate leading up to the vote. "You just said to my daughter, you don't matter, you don't matter in the state of Alabama."

After the bill passed, Lieutenant Governor Will Ainsworth voiced his support for the measure.

"With liberal states approving radical late-term and post-birth abortions, Roe must be challenged, and I am proud that Alabama is leading the way," Ainsworth tweeted on Tuesday night.

Alabama's ban is the latest in an onslaught of state-level anti-abortion measures that activists hope will be taken up by the Supreme Court and potentially overturn Roe v. Wade, the landmark 1973 decision that protects a woman's right to the procedure. Last week, Georgia Governor Brian Kemp signed into law the state's so-called "fetal heartbeat" bill, a measure that will prohibit abortions after a heartbeat is detected in an embryo, which is typically five to six weeks into a pregnancy, and before most women know that they're pregnant. The state was the sixth to pass such a law, and the fourth this year alone.

Abortion rights advocates have promised to challenge Alabama's controversial legislation if Ivey signs the bill into law.

"We will not stand by while politicians endanger the lives of women and doctors for political gain," wrote Alexa Kolbi-Molinas, a senior staff attorney at the American Civil Liberties Union's Reproductive Freedom Project, in an email to CBS News following the vote. "Know this, Governor Ivey: If you sign this dangerous bill into law, we will see you in Court"

But the bill's sponsor, Representative Terri Collins, said that's the point. The state lawmaker called the bill a "direct attack" on Roe v. Wade and anticipates that the bill will be contested by abortion rights advocates, like the ACLU, and potentially make its way to the high court.

"The heart of this bill is to confront a decision that was made by the courts in 1973 that said the baby in the womb is not a person," Collins said last week when the Alabama House debated the legislation. "This bill addresses that one issue. Is that baby in the womb a person? I believe our law says it is."

The legislation will take effect six months after Ivey gives the bill her signature.

Alabama state lawmakers also compare abortions in the U.S. to the Holocaust and other modern genocides in the legislation, prompting Jewish activists and abortion rights groups to rebuke the legislation as "deeply offensive."

Singleton proposed an amendment that would have carved out an exception for victims of rape and incest. During debate he introduced three women who were victims of rape and told his colleagues, "They didn't ask for what they got. It happened. And now they're having to live with it."

The amendment ultimately failed, with 21 Senators voting against the rape and victim exception and 11 voting in favor of it.

Republican Senator Clyde Chambliss argued that the ban was still fair to victims of rape and incest because those women would still be allowed to get an abortion "until she knows she's pregnant," a statement that garnered a mixture of groans and cackles from the chamber's gallery.

"In a state that has some of the worst health outcomes for women in the nation-such as the highest rate of cervical cancer -- Alabama is putting women's lives at an even greater risk," said Dr. Leana Wen, President of the Planned Parenthood Action Fund, in an statement emailed to CBS News on Tuesday night. "Politicians who say they value life should advocate for policies to solve the public health crises that are killing women, not dismantle what little access to health care Alabamians have left."
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they can't even predict the weather correctly from day to day but they know what's going to take place in 15-20 years?

sure.
It is not surprising in the least that someone who does not understand the difference between weather and climate would be ignorant of science.

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they can't even predict the weather correctly from day to day but they know what's going to take place in 15-20 years?

sure.
It is not surprising in the least that someone who does not understand the difference between weather and climate would be ignorant of science.
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"It snowed in april this year and you expect me to think the world's warmer "
Its just funny how the same usual suspects deny climate change yet something like 8 of the past 10 years have been the hottest years for the planet on record.

its also funny how they ignore all the storms and how they are progressively getting worst year over year when they bring up weather.

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Its just funny how the same usual suspects deny climate change yet something like 8 of the past 10 years have been the hottest years for the planet on record.

its also funny how they ignore all the storms and how they are progressively getting worst year over year when they bring up weather.
Records also only date back to about 150 years, it's easy to mislead someone when you don't actually mention that, let alone how old the earth is. It's also very misleading when people don't mention that the earth has been significantly hotter in the past than we're experiencing today and they don't need record keeping for that either. The earth (on average) mind you, in 150 years has gotten less than 1 degree Celsius warmer . How hot is the earth meant to be? How much do humans actually impact? Questions that no one actually has the answer to

Also, its not actually known 100% for sure if storms are directly linked to climate change, let alone climate change caused by humans, there have been articles stating as such. There's also evidence of the solar system impacting earths weather, but no one seems to talk about that for some reason.

Getting into the climate science field is a great career option, regardless of the outcome, you can just say "well , its climate change , give me funding".
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Records also only date back to about 150 years, it's easy to mislead someone when you don't actually mention that, let alone how old the earth is. It's also very misleading when people don't mention that the earth has been significantly hotter in the past than we're experiencing today and they don't need record keeping for that either. The earth (on average) mind you, in 150 years has gotten less than 1 degree Celsius warmer . How hot is the earth meant to be? How much do humans actually impact? Questions that no one actually has the answer to

Also, its not actually known 100% for sure if storms are directly linked to climate change, let alone climate change caused by humans, there have been articles stating as such. There's also evidence of the solar system impacting earths weather, but no one seems to talk about that for some reason.

Getting into the climate science field is a great career option, regardless of the outcome, you can just say "well , its climate change , give me funding".
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Regardless of where you stand on climate change, is it that hard to agree on creating less waste and less pollution? Geez.
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