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post #2741 of 3451 (permalink) Old 04-10-2019, 10:12 PM
 
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So amnesty international has estimated that 6 out of every 10 women who migrate to the United States illegally are sexually assaulted on their journey. Countless numbers of people are being abused, exploited and many even killed by Cayotaje people smugglers. These same people come to the United States and many are exploited here too, working gruelling jobs for appalling wages and they are abused by criminals (often fellow illegal immigrants) who they can not report to the police since doing so would lead to their deportation. There are also many crimes, including violent rapes and murders, committed by illegal immigrants against US citizens. If the country could just enforce the Southern border properly (clearly with the current laws/ facilities they can't) then these crimes would never have been able to occur.

Yet many (such as @yeahbaby! and @skypod ), seem to be more offended by Trump saying non-PC things, rather than the crisis actually happening.

How many women and children, both citizens and migrants, need to be raped or murdered and how many people need to die from drug overdoses from drugs smuggled over the Southern border?

At least Trump gives a shit.

At least fully open borders and amnesty for illegals would allow for migrants to report criminals to the police and not have to live their live in constant fear or face exploitation.

Anyone who wants to 'enforce the current laws' or maintain the status quo is either an idiot or doesn't care. Clearly they are content, and therefore complicit, with the current situation which has caused so much misery for so many people. I have no respect for those people.
Honored you mentioned me by name first of all. The general running on and off topic I was referring to was the general fantasy claptrap that comes out Trump's mouth in general, and I was responding to things other people said. So please don't use that to project on to me anything about not caring about a crisis as you put it.

Also your first paragraph is interesting. Yes all those things are appalling and tragic. But guess what, people are killed, raped, assaulted all over the world constantly and it has nothing to do with crossing a border and becoming an illegal immigrant. There are already a buttload of crimes committed against Americans by other Americans, and hey, probably a damn sight more than any new immigrants. Perhaps Mexicans are so keen to come to America, even with appalling conditions, because conditions are worse for them at home? Food for thought.

Also so I'm clear, you support open borders?

Final thought, if Trump truly gave a shit - he would know what was he was talking about instead of displaying clear ignorance and spouting populist bullshit on the matter.

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Open borders? The problem though is 9/11 ruined that. I think we all agree, that if 9/11 never happened, a lot of things wouldn't be going on right now that screams anti-immigration.
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Honored you mentioned me by name first of all. The general running on and off topic I was referring to was the general fantasy claptrap that comes out Trump's mouth in general, and I was responding to things other people said. So please don't use that to project on to me anything about not caring about a crisis as you put it.
Nothing personal friend You just seemed to be prominent in the posts above mine in criticising Trump's position/ comments on immigration without offering any solutions to the issue at hand. (Also wanted to move away from talking about Trump, otherwise we're in the wrong thread!) You should be honoured though as I don't post very often . I'm not saying you don't care, just that your priorities are out of sync. If it is not a crisis then what would you call it?

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Also your first paragraph is interesting. Yes all those things are appalling and tragic. But guess what, people are killed, raped, assaulted all over the world constantly and it has nothing to do with crossing a border and becoming an illegal immigrant. There are already a buttload of crimes committed against Americans by other Americans, and hey, probably a damn sight more than any new immigrants. Perhaps Mexicans are so keen to come to America, even with appalling conditions, because conditions are worse for them at home? Food for thought.
1. The number being raped or sexually assaulted is unusually high. 6 in 10 women. Think about that and then think about the numbers that are actually making the journey. It's pretty crazy.

2. Crimes do happen all over the world, but this is something that US policy/ public opinion has a direct impact on. By encouraging more people to immigrate illegally at the Southern border, through sanctuary cities, amnesty, etc.

3. How do you stop an American citizen from deciding one day to commit a crime? Almost impossible really. How do you stop an illegal immigrant from committing a crime against an American citizen? Easily, by preventing them from being there in the first place. I would argue that a single murder/ rape committed by an illegal immigrant is one too many, as it is ultimately a preventable crime. It is irrelevant what the rate of crime is compared to US citizens; those people are the responsibility of the nation, even if they are criminals. Illegal immigrants are not.

4. I agree, most immigrants are good people who are often desperate to find a better life. Legal immigration should be made easier/ fairer. Illegal immigration should be prevented because of how damaging it is to the immigrants themselves and to their adopted country.

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Also so I'm clear, you support open borders?
For your clarification, no I do not. My point was that at least those people are aware that there is a problem (or part of it) and want to fix it. They are just wrong as it happens as it doesn't take into account the challenges of uncontrolled mass immigration, which are actually different to those of illegal immigration.

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Final thought, if Trump truly gave a shit - he would know what was he was talking about instead of displaying clear ignorance and spouting populist bullshit on the matter.
AOC is very passionate about lots of issues, yet too shows clear ignorance on those subjects. Trump is the same. That doesn't mean they don't care. Someone who doesn't give a shit would be ok with the status quo of thousands of people, in particular women and children, being exploited, sexually assaulted, abused and even murdered.
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SNL is literally propaganda.

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SNL is literally propaganda.
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^Dude you can't change the words that came out of his mouth. It's not media dishonesty to report a direct quote that he said.
you're being dishonest right now by taking trumps direct quote and twisting it's meaning. nothing in either statement suggests that trump thinks all mexicans are animals, or that he has a prejudice towards the mexican people in general.

trump had the audacity to suggest that some of the people who are consciously breaking the law and sneaking into the country illegally might not be the most swell people to begin with. that maybe, just maybe... it's not the best that mexico has to offer.

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"You oughta see this guy - 'uh, I don't know what I said, uh, I don't remember,'"

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SNL is literally propaganda.
Yikes, imagine making anti-Trump comedy because he's evil but then roast Julian when he exposed the evils of several people. These shows are certainly on the "right side of history".

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As a non American..I just don't know what to say. I wish my country had more candidates like this.
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