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Sen. Lindsey Graham: "If a Republican had said...'We're trying to hold the seat open to get past the midterms, so we can take power back,' the Republican who said that couldn't go five feet in this town without having 100 reporters in their face."

....did you guys not hold it open for a year?

This is why politics is so shit.

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The Republicans delayed by holding the elected majority in Congress. The Democrats are delaying by trying to destroy a man's life, undermining the foundational principles of our legal system, and whipping half the country into a frenzy believing the other half supports rapists.


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The Republicans delayed by holding the elected majority in Congress. The Democrats are delaying by trying to destroy a man's life, undermining the foundational principles of our legal system, and whipping half the country into a frenzy believing the other half supports rapists.
LOL at the Dems trying to destroy his life when he has lied over and over again under oath. And all his friends are coming out saying what he said about himself is just not true. You are acting like you know for a fact he did not do these assaults.

Maybe if he was more honest, I could find him credible. But sure all these women are lying about sexual assault, just like all the women are lying about Trump right

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All the women were lying about Trump.

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All the women were lying about Trump.
and this is why I can't take you seriously

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All the women were lying about Trump.
I guess all the women were lying about Cosby too.
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The Republicans delayed by holding the elected majority in Congress. The Democrats are delaying by trying to destroy a man's life, undermining the foundational principles of our legal system, and whipping half the country into a frenzy believing the other half supports rapists.
Utterly utterly irrelevant to the quote from Graham, you're so stuck in your republican bubble you can't even call a spade a spade and say he;s being a hypocrite. Pathetic.

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Alright then. Here we go (again) guys!

I think this came up earlier in the year. But I guess the politicians now have to come clean. Do they support this or will they go against the opinions of the majority (83 per cent of Danes support an age limit on circumcising boys according to polls).
I agree with this too.

The only instance I think it's necessary for a minor to undergo circumcision is if there is a legitimate health reason/concern which has been advised by a doctor, which does happen. But for religious reasons? Absolutely not.

Keep in mind also, I usually fall on the side of religious freedom but that's because I believe in freedom of association. So to give a classic example, I believe that a religious institution has a right to not conduct a same sex wedding if it goes against their beliefs. I don't believe they should be forced to conduct the same sex wedding against their will.

But in this case, we are talking about a minor being forced to undergo circumcision by a parent. That is coercion, that is not voluntary in the slightest. I would go as far as to say it is barbaric. What reason is there for a child to undergo such a cruel procedure? And no "grooming" or "cleanliness" is not an answer.

So yeah, kudos to those who petitioned and to the Danish government for putting it under consideration.



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If I were an American, I would have voted for Obama the first time in 2008 even in hindsight mainly due to his anti-Iraq war stance (which turned out to be false). McCain was so bad in most areas that there is no way I could ever support him.

The 2nd time around though? My views had already changed by then (though they weren't exactly the same as now) and I had wised up.

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As far as Bernie goes and this might surprise some, but I have to agree with @birthday_massacre and @Draykorinee (though I'd say me and Dray do agree on a number of issues ), both on the radical point and the point about him in a head to head versus Trump. Whilst I don't think it would be as definitive as in 2016 for various reasons, I do think Bernie would beat Trump in 2020 if he were the nominee, and quite significantly too. I have to be realistic looking at the climate in American politics and BM and Dray are right on this topic in my opinion. You have to also remember that Trump would not by this stage have that outsider image looking to shake things up. He is very much the establishment now. Bernie at least still to a degree has a bit of an outsider image going into 2020 though we will disagree on to what extent, sorry BM .

As far as Bernie being "radical", I think to a certain extent this is something only a European would understand as snobby as it sounds. The overton window in the US is much more to the right than it is in Europe, so what sounds extreme in America is pretty normal in Europe. Keep in mind, I say this as someone who falls quite significantly towards the right in European overton terms. I disagree with most if not all of Bernie's economic policies but at least on paper in terms of what Bernie is proposing, it's not really radical at all. I'm not going to say it is simply because I think he is wrong on a number of issues.

The problem with Bernie and this is where BM is going to hate me is how he frames himself. Bernie sees himself as a Democratic Socialist but the policies he is advocating for are very much of a social democrat. He has and so has his supporters have mistakenly suggested that the Nordic countries that they have advocated for are socialist. That is simply not true. All of the Nordic countries are market economies and have very capitalistic policies. They are pro-business and most of them are low on tax when it comes to business or corporation tax as it's called. They have extensive social welfare programs, universal healthcare and some go as far as free universal college but that is far away from nationalizing entire sectors of the economy for example.

Until Trump's tax policy, the Nordic countries had lower nominal corporation tax rates than the United States. Even now I believe, the last time it was measured, the Nordic countries have a higher degree of economic freedom than the United States. Though if that has changed, I'm more than happy to read about it.

Point being, the Nordic countries are pro-capitalism and markets but are also in favour of extensive safety nets and public programs. They are social democracies, not socialist countries. And that's where Bernie confuses people by calling himself a socialist.

At the same time, we have evidence of Bernie also praising Venezuela and saying that bread lines are a good thing for a country. Now to be fair and to put things into context, this was said in the 90's. So it is possible that Bernie has evolved his views since then. I'm not disputing the possibility. The question becomes, are the policies that Bernie is advocating for what he truly believes is the ideal system or is he only proposing what he thinks is realistic for the public to get behind? This I'm unsure of, much more so than Jeremy Corbyn for example where it is clear that if he could he would nationalize every economic sector under the government but knows he could never get elected on such a platform. Dray will appreciate what I'm saying I think .

I do think Bernie overall is at least more principled than Corbyn so I'll cut him a little slack for that, even if I do think he's been a cuck on the issue of Russia and the DNC hacks .

If the Democrats have Bernie or Tulsi as their presidential nominee, I think they'll take power in 2020. If they nominate someone like Booker, Maxine Waters or Warren then I think we get a 2nd Trump term.


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Neither Bernie or Tulsi will be president any time soon, and Bernie will never be president. He's 5 years older than Trump (77) and looks at least 10 years older. He was seen as too old in 2016, it'll be even worse in 2020.

Tulsi was smeared by her own party for meeting with Assad. She'd likely get the Ron Paul treatment if she tried to run.

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Bernie at least still to a degree has a bit of an outsider image going into 2020 though we will disagree on to what extent, sorry BM .


The degree to how much of an outsider he is is debatable for sure, but the fact that he is to some degree is a huge plus in his column vs someone like Corey Booker for example.


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As far as Bernie being "radical", I think to a certain extent this is something only a European would understand as snobby as it sounds. The overton window in the US is much more to the right than it is in Europe, so what sounds extreme in America is pretty normal in Europe. Keep in mind, I say this as someone who falls quite significantly towards the right in European overton terms. I disagree with most if not all of Bernie's economic policies but at least on paper in terms of what Bernie is proposing, it's not really radical at all. I'm not going to say it is simply because I think he is wrong on a number of issues.


In America, Bernie is not radical to what the American people want, he is radical to the establishment Dems and reps, but that is why he is the most popular politician in the country because he is one of the few that fight for the American people, now if some want to call that radical by all means call that radical. It all depends on what they mean by radical. In this case, think it's being used as a slight but when it fact its a huge positive.


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The problem with Bernie and this is where BM is going to hate me is how he frames himself. Bernie sees himself as a Democratic Socialist but the policies he is advocating for are very much of a social democrat. He has and so has his supporters have mistakenly suggested that the Nordic countries that they have advocated for are socialist. That is simply not true. All of the Nordic countries are market economies and have very capitalistic policies. They are pro-business and most of them are low on tax when it comes to business or corporation tax as it's called. They have extensive social welfare programs, universal healthcare and some go as far as free universal college but that is far away from nationalizing entire sectors of the economy for example.

The label Bernie gives himself is really irrelevant since we should just focus on his policies. That is why more important than a semantic argument of what to label it. I think we can both agree on that. TBH I dont care what Bernie labels himself, I care more about what policies he wants.

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At the same time, we have evidence of Bernie also praising Venezuela and saying that bread lines are a good thing for a country. Now to be fair and to put things into context, this was said in the 90's. So it is possible that Bernie has evolved his views since then. I'm not disputing the possibility. The question becomes, are the policies that Bernie is advocating for what he truly believes is the ideal system or is he only proposing what he thinks is realistic for the public to get behind? This I'm unsure of, much more so than Jeremy Corbyn for example where it is clear that if he could he would nationalize every economic sector under the government but knows he could never get elected on such a platform. Dray will appreciate what I'm saying I think
I dont think Bernie would say anything just to hope to get votes then do a 180 like Trump did, if he did that i would be the first person to call out Bernie for that. I think Bernie truly beileves and wants the things he is advocating for.


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I do think Bernie overall is at least more principled than Corbyn so I'll cut him a little slack for that, even if I do think he's been a cuck on the issue of Russia and the DNC hacks .

If the Democrats have Bernie or Tulsi as their presidential nominee, I think they'll take power in 2020. If they nominate someone like Booker, Maxine Waters or Warren then I think we get a 2nd Trump term.


I think Warren would also wipe the floor with Trump but I would much rather Tulsi run. LIke I said before let Warren run and clean up the Treasury dept, she would be perfect for that. If Trump is still there in 2020 which I still doubt, unless HIllary or someone like he runs, I thin the Dems still win. Booker could beat him, but it would be close. But only if they dont let Hillary campaign for them.

I cringe that Gillum is letting HIllary campagin for him. FFS she is one of the least popular people in the country. Not sure what he wrong with him.


Its shit like that, that will get the GOP 4 more years and possible losses they should be winning in the midterms

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