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Students shouldn't receive grants.

Why should my taxes pay for a whiney 19 year old to toss it off all day in a class room learning some pointless shit?
I got a bunch of grants to get through school. I've got a degree and make like $60,000 a year and I'm probably going to be making a lot more in the next few years. The government made a good investment on me. Assuming something bad doesn't happen to me I'll pay way more in taxes than what those grants were worth.
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post #43 of 77 (permalink) Old 07-22-2018, 10:04 PM
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If the government didn't have any involvement in education how exactly would poor people get to send their kids to school?
First we have to recognize that the current education system is a complete failure. This is evidenced by the fact that a high school degree is so worthless that everyone feels like they need to go to college to get a decent job, and even college graduates who choose an unmarketable degree are still left doing work they didn't go to school for, and not making enough to even pay off their student loans. So, when discussing a "libertarian solution" we have to be fair in admitting that we aren't looking for a perfect model, as the current model is extremely imperfect. This means there is a level of acceptable imperfection we have to allow to have a serious discussion about alternatives.

Secondly, what we have now is not just simply bad education, much of it is not education at all. Students spend a lot of time being fed propaganda or just learning about stuff that neither enriches them intellectually or prepares them for a job. I'd say about 99% of what I learned from kindergarten to high school was completely worthless, and has zero to do with what I got a college degree in or what I do for a living, or even what my intellectual interests are. Public education now is basically daycare and indoctrination and nothing more.

Education is clearly a hugely prioritized need - which means parents care enough about it to make sure its taken care of in the absence of the state. An education system that produces productive workers meets a market demand, which means companies will want to help facilitate that process. We see this already with corporate-sponsored school programs, research, etc. I've benefited from this personally when Amazon sponsored a bunch of senior projects at my school (including mine), and then they got a bunch of really good applicants come Spring, who can provide them a lot more in value than they spent sponsoring their projects. The answer of where the money to pay for this stuff comes from is pretty silly when you have a bunch of people who value something enough to pay for it even with the existence of a state. The absence of one just means people have more money to pay for that thing, and it'll be done a lot more efficiently and in a way that actually meets market demands.

As for how the poor would afford to send their kids to school. Well, given that school would be cheaper for everyone without government involvement than it is right now, a lot more poor would be able to send their kids to better schools than they get to go to right now, and the rest would have to rely on charity, of which there would be a lot more without having such a big government demanding more of people's resources. Perhaps there would be some children left behind, but that already happens in the system we have now, and the schools are shit and don't teach anyone anything of value. I know which system I'd prefer.
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I got a bunch of grants to get through school. I've got a degree and make like $60,000 a year and I'm probably going to be making a lot more in the next few years. The government made a good investment on me. Assuming something bad doesn't happen to me I'll pay way more in taxes than what those grants were worth.
The government didn't make a "good investment" on you. Nobody in the government would suffer any consequences if the investment turned out bad, so it was nothing to them to make the investment, as they do, blindly, in pretty much anyone with demonstrated financial need. It's not their money, or even real money as the case is these days where we just pump more increasingly worthless money out of thin air into the economy and all of our taxes are just paying off interest in an accumulating, un-payable debt, which means even the "return on investment" doesn't actually mean anything to the government.
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Starting kids before 8am should be illegal. Breakfast should be offered before morning classes as a matter of course.

I get there's a lot of it, but history is certainly the worst offender in terms of curricula that entirely miss the kind of material they should be teaching. Great examples offered already ITT - I personally know a lot more about Henry VIII and his wives than I care to.

Citizenship classes are really failing very badly, and things like financial literacy are no less important than sex ed, ffs.
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Lots of good ideas, liked all the posts with the best ideas I thought.

High School should be about learning life skills with other skills secondary, it should be to prepare you for life and offer classes based on what you're going into. BM and I talked and he had suggested having trade school classes available which is smart. You can have students getting prepared for life with every avenue of life covered and if you're going to trade school or college you'll have a good start into it.

Classes should be broken up by skill and advancement, no reason for the brightest kids to be held down by the bottom of the class, they need to be challenged and put into classes that benefit them while the students on other levels get put into classes to where they can learn at a better pace. Societies need Doctors, Scientists and Engineers etc as much as they need Mechanics, Electricians and assistants in the Medical field and various other avenues.

P.E should be mandatory with fat/weak kids working with people of their size and with people who can get them into shape, how to plan meals and stay in shape. Should by more P.E Teachers than one or two. If you believe in Health Care for all it would be smart to be sure people know how to take care of themselves right?

School shouldn't start so early, breakfast and lunch should be served. kids should be taught how to do basic cooking and meal planning too.

History should be taught for all, History is often set aside which is a shame because History can teach people to avoid the traps of repetition. Not enough people know about History and that's a shame! Also agree with Soviet Union being taught about as much as the Nazis but would include Communist China also being added in.

Also take the ideology out of Schools, Teachers who don't teach actual facts and skills shouldn't hired. Education isn't for indoctrination and preaching from your pulpit, it should be about preparing young people for the next stages of life and giving them the best education and chance at success possible. If you want to be a preacher, start a church.

Also School should be about merit, not mommy and daddy's money. If you don't have the grades, the skills or the drive no amount of money should get you into great Colleges or top tier high School classes. If we did this we'd have far less people with pointless degrees spending 6 years + in school being College Communists with no real understanding of what they even advocate for, most these people only got into school via legacy or money.

Want to have wealth cycle out? Well then be sure that even the poorest have a chance for proper higher education, these students will have success while the other's serve them coffee in the morning or beg outside of said coffee shop. The best way to counter wealth is to ensure it has no bearing on Education in the least and watch as the wealth goes to the deserving.


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As I said I think modern languages should be taught from an early stage as opposed to later on, I feel starting earlier makes it easier to pick up.
Both my kids (8 and under) learn multiple languages from day one at primary school, I don't know when this changed but it's a welcome one. It's not mandatory for key stage 1 (4-7) but it is now for ks2 (8+).

My kids school teaches it in foundation year.
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Both my kids (8 and under) learn multiple languages from day one at primary school, I don't know when this changed but it's a welcome one. It's not mandatory for key stage 1 (4-7) but it is now for ks2 (8+).

My kids school teaches it in foundation year.
Turns out the Scottish Government are implementing the 1 plus 2 approach in schools and are requiring all schools to have it by 2021.
https://education.gov.scot/improveme...rn%20languages

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aimed at ensuring that every child has the opportunity to learn a modern language (known as L2) from P1 until the end of the broad general education (S3).

Additionally, each child is entitled to learn a second modern language (known as L3) from P5 onwards.

The policy should be fully implemented across the country by August 2021
The core languages available being Mandarin, French, Spanish, Italian, German and Gaelic.

That's good to hear, Edinburgh City Council school are already doing it as well as offering Polish and Farsi. Although I would start the second language from Primary 3 or earlier as opposed to Primary 5 but that's still better than day one of high school were you just sit in the class and treat it as any other subject with tons of homework.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotla...-fife-34515908


NABs are also apparently being scraped from Scottish schools now, slowly but still being scraped nonetheless (they are end of unit tests that pupils must pass before sitting the final exam, while testing is good practice I think it's stupid a pupil can't sit the final exam at the end of S4 because they failed a NAB at the start of S3 ffs)

I also know that some Scottish schools are starting to have American football in their PE classes despite still not doing rugby for some reason.
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Classes should have no more than 15 students in them to help both students and teachers.


I'm a 6th grade math teacher...this isn't unpopular, it's actually a popular opinion. Everyone knows it needs to happen, but it never will unless you're in a school with low enrollment, but if the low enrollment continues at that school it will most likely be shut down eventually.
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I believe that high schools should prepare children more for their chosen career and show reality. Because, at best, students in the college begins to search for reviews on the EssayServiceScanner and how good writemypaper4me is calculating because it turns out that it was not at all so-so that they were reconsidering the series. There was also an opinion about physical education, or rather, that the subject should be conducted more closely in relation to the psychological state of children.
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As a teacher, I can tell you that most of the things taught in high school are useless to the students because they won't use it or they don't care.

They chat and use their phones, they aren't interested in anything. And that doesn't have anything to do with my class, they do it with all my colleagues in every school I have worked in since 2015.

The new generations are going to be a lot less educated in everything, including basic knowledge such as reading, their own country's geography, maths etc...
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