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Brexit continues to be a colossal fuck up.

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#3 ·
It's not the politics I'm worried about, it's the consequences of those politics and the idiot people who were "sick of experts" who fucked themselves (and the rest of us) for the manipulations of the very people looking to exploit them the most.
 
#4 · (Edited)
This was always going to happen.

Something else the 52% obviously forgot to tell us about,
Honestly i don't know if my resentment for them will ever leave me completely.

The most googled thing in the UK on the night of the referendum result was,
'what does the EU actually do'
That should tell you everything you need to know about the path we are now heading towards,
Yet the only arguments i ever heard from the average Brexiter on the street was about immigration and the curve of a Banana.

The Daily Mail and TV Stations that gave Farage disproportionate amounts of air time seriously owe the UK an explanation.

Its all about divide and conquer its what the Tory party has always been about,
You see it with the massive political age divide within the UK, You see it with Disabled People pretty much getting the blame for a global recession instead of the banks and middle classes, The Scots, Little Englanders,Londoners and second generation Immigrants who supports Brexit.

They have torn the UK Apart and i fear people will not see the consequences until it is to late,
But hey at least we will have straight Bananas while Europe's most Dangerous criminals can walk the streets of the UK without our authorities having any idea of their previous behaviors.

Gosh it makes so angry still.

Cheers for sharing OP.
Peace and love guys,
and Be Excellent to each other....Always.
 
#38 ·
This was always going to happen.

Its all about divide and conquer its what the Tory party has always been about,
You see it with the massive political age divide within the UK, You see it with Disabled People pretty much getting the blame for a global recession instead of the banks and middle classes, The Scots, Little Englanders,Londoners and second generation Immigrants who supports Brexit.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-36616028 Are you sure about that?
:cena
 
#5 ·
Brexit continues to be a disaster. Leave voters continue to go 'remoaners' and remainers continue to call leavers racist or stupid.

We were let down massively by both campaigns and now being let down because no one has a fucking clue what they're doing. Maybot and her Tory cronies are weak as fuck and the EU are trying to be as petty as possible.

I'm a remainer and begrudge anyone who voted leave and anyone who campaigned for leave because we're royally fucked right now.
 
#8 ·
The thing is though there was never ANYTHING that could've been done for us to have a "positive Brexit." It all hinges on 2 simple facts: The EU is the largest trading bloc in the world, we could never hope to remotely have as good a trade economy outside of it AND The EU isn't built in a way where you can be outside of it and remotely retain any of the positives you gain from being a member. The things the Leave campaign promised are actually impossible for the EU to give us. All of the various deals the gov is proposing can't happen, the EU is built in a way that doesn't allow them to happen. Everybody who did the research knew this already. There's a reason every single expert worth their salt said it'd be a disaster. The problem arose mostly from the "we're sick of experts, let's listen to the most incompetent mainstream politician in living memory (Nasty Nige) instead." If you're not going to listen to the people who actually know what they're talking about and instead make up fantasies in your head predicated on the former glories of an empire that no longer exists - this is what you get.
 
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Brexit kind of highlights one of the biggest issue with democracy. The majority of the population don’t know shit about even basic economics. So how do you then expect them to make such an important decision which can have huge economic ramifications to not only the UK, but Europe itself? You can’t.
 
#7 · (Edited)
Literally everyone with half a brain or more said it would be.

:draper2

That's what happens when you listen to a bunch of mindless propaganda oppose to facts.

And, yes, I'm well aware of the irony in me, an American, saying that.




Hit the nail of the head.

Democracy requires intelligent voters and these days intelligent voters are unfortunately, and in a lot of cases by design, in the minority.
 
#9 · (Edited)
It's all so depressing.

Given the way the majority of over 65's voted and the speed this is all playing out at, I do wonder how many of them will still be alive when the negotiations have actually finished.

Whilst the Remain campaign has been criticised, if you're dealing with people that claim politicians have an agenda whilst they believe Farage, The Sun and The Mail, as well as older people that seem to have solely voted because "they didn't get a vote to enter the EU", I'm not sure you could have reached those people with logic, facts and expert opinion presented and campaigned for well.

After the stupidity of the overall vote, there are some people that now understand what their vote to leave meant but insist it doesn't matter if it will make Britain worse, it would be undemocratic to go against the tiny majority. So, even though people are waking up to the fact we as a nation marching towards a cliff edge and have ever intention to jump off, "we" voted for it, so we have to proceed.

Should never ever have been a Referendum.
 
#11 ·
I don't think there's any context in which Brexit wouldn't be a colossal fuck up. At this point I'm just trying to enjoy it, as there's at least some perverse enjoyment to be found in watching it all transpire, without any burden of personal responsibility.
 
#12 ·
I can't even get into that mentality tbh, a lot of my friends and family are in the lower working class and they're going to be hit hard. I've actually got a bunch of relatives moving back to Ireland over it and if my Italian grandparents weren't so old and frail we'd likely be taking them back to Sicily. It's the toughest part of it for me, seeing how it's affecting them. Both of them are over 90 and my Grandad had a stroke a couple years ago that sapped the life out of him. Now they're both confused and feel like they've become Pariahs and aren't welcome in a country they paid taxes in for decades. It's pretty upsetting.
 
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Theresa May is utterly useless as a Prime Minister, once was declared the new iron lady by the tabloids has all but lost it since the results of the June election last year when we all saw how weak she is domestically and internationally. She doesn't seem to have any good allies/friends among the world leader in Europe or the US (remember when some of the media were saying the relationship between Trump and May would be the new Reagan and Thatcher?) Only the CANZUK countries seem to have some time for her from what I've seen.

Here's an old story from back in February about a leadership challenge:
http://uk.businessinsider.com/boris...es-mogg-urged-to-overthrow-theresa-may-2018-2

Just imagine what a Brexit dream team led government with a brexit dominated cabinet would look like:

  • Boris Johnson - Prime Minister (Give him his dream job and sort out what he helped create, brexit, also called for freedom of movement between the UK and Australia, if he supports CANZUK and gets it created then we could always run away to Australia or Canada lol)
  • Michael Gove - Deputy Prime Minister, First Secretary of State, Exiting the EU Secretary (Would be Boris' right hand man, lets see if he's any better than Davis at the game)
  • Jacob Rees-Mogg - Chancellor of the Exchequer (would probably bring back the gold standard)
  • David Davis - Foreign Secretary (lets give him another foreign affairs brief and see how he does, would be interesting to see if he keeps his libertarian values (human rights) when visiting the US and China)
  • Iain Duncan Smith - Home Secretary (put him in charge of immigration reform and making plans for EU nationals here and Brits abroad in Europe, would likely go all Trump)
  • Andrew Rosindell - Leader of the House of Commons (Patriotic Englishman and Briton, a federalist who has advocated for an English Parliament which is cool I guess and has made various private bills that required flags and portraits of the HM The Queen at all airports as well as dedicated channels at airports for commonwealth citizens)
  • Penny Mordaunt - Defence Secretary (Has some history in defence, a brexiteer and female, might get some good PR out of it)
  • Priti Patel - Justice Secretary (No law experience but supports capital punishment, so what's not to love? )
  • Graham Brady - Education Secretary (Head of 1922 committee and is very Tory, perfect for reforming the education system, could also introduce an American style pledge of allegiance to Queen and Country that all pupils will recite at the start of school)
  • Nadhim Zahawi - International Trade Secretary (Think he had a career in business, could make trade deals in favour of big business, maybe)
  • Andrea Leadsom - Business Secretary (Had career in the City, she should be able to make businesses confident that they will thrive in Brexit Britain)
  • Esther McVey - Work & Pensions Secretary (Female IDS on steroids, even more cuts to DLA to appeal to C2 working class brexiteers and angry pensioners who advocate placing welfare users in concentrations camps and exterminating them)
  • Adam Afriyie - Environment Secretary (No clue what his stance is but the job is his, Goldsmith could get it but he kinda cares about it so that's a big no no)
  • Chris Grayling - Housing & Communities Secretary (Boring job for boring politician)
  • Zac Goldsmith - Transport Secretary (Ran unsuccessfully for Mayor of London which has huge role over Transport for London, could see his London proposals brought to the wider UK, whatever they are)
  • Dominic Raab - International Development Secretary (Brexiteer who appears alot on political programming but never got a cabinet job, lets give him one and he can do whatever he wants since its DFID)
  • John Whittingdale - Media, Culture, Sport Secretary (Had role previously, strongly opposed to license fee but kept it in last BBC charter likely due to centrist Cameron, could go all the way and privatise BBC and Channel 4)
  • Ross Thompson - Scotland Secretary (One of few Scottish politicians to back brexit, debates between him and Bute House would be interesting)
  • David Jones - Wales Secretary (one of Wales' top hardline Brexiteers and well on the right of the party)
  • Theresa Villiers - Northern Ireland Secretary (Was NI Secretary before and supported Brexit, she should be able to find a solution to the Irish border, right?)
  • Kwasi Kwarteng - Chief Secretary to the Treasury (dubbed by some media outlets as the 'Black Boris')
  • David Davies - Immigration Minister (on the far right of the party, he and IDS would get on well and would have big influence over immigration reform)
  • Philip Davies - Women and Equalities Minister (because lol)

Seems horrifying but part of me would love to see the fuckary that happens and to see them get to work and make a brexit a success as they said it would be. Just imagine if they failed and had to tell us why they couldn't achieve the Great British dream :cry
 
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Theresa May is utterly useless as a Prime Minister, once was declared the new iron lady by the tabloids has all but lost it since the results of the June election last year when we all saw how weak she is domestically and internationally. She doesn't seem to have any good allies/friends among the world leader in Europe or the US (remember when some of the media were saying the relationship between Trump and May would be the new Reagan and Thatcher?) Only the CANZUK countries seem to have some time for her from what I've seen.

Here's an old story from back in February about a leadership challenge:
http://uk.businessinsider.com/boris...es-mogg-urged-to-overthrow-theresa-may-2018-2

Just imagine what a Brexit dream team led government with a brexit dominated cabinet would look like:

  • Boris Johnson - Prime Minister (Give him his dream job and sort out what he helped create, brexit, also called for freedom of movement between the UK and Australia, if he supports CANZUK and gets it created then we could always run away to Australia or Canada lol)
  • Michael Gove - Deputy Prime Minister, First Secretary of State, Exiting the EU Secretary (Would be Boris' right hand man, lets see if he's any better than Davis at the game)
  • Jacob Rees-Mogg - Chancellor of the Exchequer (would probably bring back the gold standard)
  • David Davis - Foreign Secretary (lets give him another foreign affairs brief and see how he does, would be interesting to see if he keeps his libertarian values (human rights) when visiting the US and China)
  • Iain Duncan Smith - Home Secretary (put him in charge of immigration reform and making plans for EU nationals here and Brits abroad in Europe, would likely go all Trump)
  • Andrew Rosindell - Leader of the House of Commons (Patriotic Englishman and Briton, a federalist who has advocated for an English Parliament which is cool I guess and has made various private bills that required flags and portraits of the HM The Queen at all airports as well as dedicated channels at airports for commonwealth citizens)
  • Penny Mordaunt - Defence Secretary (Has some history in defence, a brexiteer and female, might get some good PR out of it)
  • Priti Patel - Justice Secretary (No law experience but supports capital punishment, so what's not to love? )
  • Graham Brady - Education Secretary Head of 1922 committee and is very Tory, perfect for reforming the education system, could also introduce an American style pledge of allegiance to Queen and Country that all pupils will recite at the start of school)
  • Nadhim Zahawi - International Trade Secretary (Think he had a career in business, could make trade deals in favour of big business, maybe)
  • Andrea Leadsom - Business Secretary (Had career in the City, she should be able to make businesses confident that they will thrive in Brexit Britain)
  • Esther McVey - Work & Pensions Secretary (Female IDS on steroids, even more cuts to DLA to appeal to C2 brexiteers and angry pensioners who hate their hard earned tax money going to welfare)
  • Adam Afriyie - Environment Secretary (No clue what his stance is but the job is his, Goldsmith could get it but he kinda cares about it so that's a big no no)
  • Chris Grayling - Housing & Communities Secretary (Boring job for boring politician)
  • Zac Goldsmith - Transport Secretary (Ran unsuccessfully for Mayor of London which has huge role over Transport for London, could see his London proposals brought to the wider UK, whatever they are)
  • Dominic Raab - International Development Secretary (Brexiteer who appears alot on political programming but never got a cabinet job, lets give him one and he can do whatever he wants since its DFID)
  • John Whittingdale - Media, Culture, Sport Secretary (Had role previously, strongly opposed to license fee but kept it in last BBC charter likely due to centrist Cameron, could go all the way and privatise BBC and Channel 4)
  • Ross Thompson - Scotland Secretary (One of few Scottish politicians to back brexit, debates between him and Bute House would be interesting)
  • David Jones - Wales Secretary (one of Wales' top hardline Brexiteers and well on the right of the party)
  • Theresa Villiers - Northern Ireland Secretary (Was NI Secretary before and supported Brexit, she should be able to find a solution to the Irish border, right?)
  • Kwasi Kwarteng - Chief Secretary to the Treasury (dubbed by some media outlets as the 'Black Boris')
  • David Davies - Immigration Minister (on the far right of the party, he and IDS would get on well and would have big influence over immigration reform)
  • Philip Davies - Women and Equalities Minister (because lol)

Seems horrifying but part of me would love to see the fuckary that happens and to see them get to work and make a brexit a success as they said it would be. Just imagine if they failed and had to tell us why they couldn't achieve the Great British dream :cry
The bold is a forgone conclusion, there is no way to succeed at Brexit. It's literally impossible to make us a better country post Brexit than we've been in the EU. Interesting to note that the one mainstream politician who'd flat out stop Brexit on his own back is Vince Cable - a Cambridge graduate and former fellow with a phd in economics. Corbyn's history is in Unions and journalism and May's got a 2nd in business. I don't think it's hard to see why I'd put Cable over both of them. :lol
 
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Immigrate? But you haven't even seen the 'Make Britain Great Again' manifesto the govt would run on, hand written of course by the hard right tory backbenchers and rural pensioners who make up the membership of the party:
https://www.conservativehome.com/th...s-speech-the-full-list-of-40-rebel-bills.html

Putting the Great back in Britain!


The bold is a forgone conclusion, there is no way to succeed at Brexit. It's literally impossible to make us a better country post Brexit than we've been in the EU. Interesting to note that the one mainstream politician who'd flat out stop Brexit on his own back is Vince Cable - a Cambridge graduate and former fellow with a phd in economics. Corbyn's history is in Unions and journalism and May's got a 2nd in business. I don't think it's hard to see why I'd put Cable over both of them. :lol
Hey at least we're getting our blue passports back! Very important matter you know!


Also I thought May was a Geography student at Oxford?
 
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But really, so what?

Britain got along quite well in the past having to request extradition.

All this petulant behavior from the EU is to me further argument for Brexit, look at the contempt and ill-will the masters of the Continent hold towards the United Kingdom. Why should any of the UK's sovereign powers be submitted to such people? Why would any sane, self-respecting person want political union with such people? Because "I like getting to travel to Spain without hassle and I'll make more money!"

Sounds selfish and short-sighted and betrays a lack of self-confidence to me. Of course if governments in Europe didn't have their hands and most of their arms faaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaar up the ass of their economies, political structures like the EU would not have such power. No need for the EU for there to be free trade and easy travel across borders. Once again we see the drawbacks of the interventionist State. You Continentals have boxed yourself in politically and economically. At the behest of the "experts."

This crypto-technocratic appeal to "experts" is quite amusing though considering the extremely long list of "expert" failures in government, including the current debilitating failure and near-future total failure of the European Union itself thanks to politicians listening to "experts" and not the people. Carry on thinking those "experts" are adept at prescribing policy :lmao
 
#19 ·
But really, so what?

Britain got along quite well in the past having to request extradition.

All this petulant behavior from the EU is to me further argument for Brexit, look at the contempt and ill-will the masters of the Continent hold towards the United Kingdom. Why should any of the UK's sovereign powers be submitted to such people? Why would any sane, self-respecting person want political union with such people? Because "I like getting to travel to Spain without hassle and I'll make more money!"

Sounds selfish and short-sighted to me.

This crypto-technocratic appeal to "experts" is quite amusing though considering the extremely long list of "expert" failures in government, including the near-future failure of the European Union itself thanks to politicians listening to "experts" and not the people. Carry on thinking those "experts" are adept at prescribing policy :lmao
If you knew anything at all about the UK economy you'd realise there is no good argument for Brexit. It's only ever a losing situation. How are we going to stand on our own two feet when we don't produce anything? Our economy is built around being the financial services provider for the EU, are you saying America and Canada are going to let us do their financial services for them instead? We don't fit any niche outside of the EU, we don't produce anything at a scale large enough to replace that knock to our economy. See this is exactly my point, you're somebody who doesn't know what they're talking about and I'm supposed to listen to you over people with phd's in economics who actually know the variables at play here? Please.
 
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#33 ·
We all knew this was gonna happen really, people who voted leave had no bloody idea what they were even voting for which makes them even more stupid. You know it was a daft idea when the main backers of brexit were the likes of Nigel Farage and Boris Johnson who didn't even have a clue themselves what a mess it would leave us in and they are so called politicians :lmao
 
#34 ·
An awful lot of casual snobbery in this thread.

I've written some long posts on this topic in the past and so frankly can't be bothered to do it all again here, but if people are seriously positing that there were no valid reasons to vote for Brexit then they are just as uninformed and uneducated as they accuse Leave voters of being.

Basically we will likely never know whether Brexit would have been a success due to the actions of the political class, who have ensured that it has been a complete shit show from the start with their determination to derail it at every possible juncture. This is something we all should be able to come together on, not continue to squabble and bicker about like children. They're fucking Remainers over along with the Leavers - we're all citizens of this country after all.
 
#36 ·
The reasons for voting Brexit we're always outweighed by the sheer gamble that you were voting for. Remain voters voted for the status quo and the security of the continued sustained growth seen in the EU, Leave voters voted to get are country back. Well, we got it back, and its a bit shit.
 
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Being a royalist is one thing but does Theresa really need to bow like that? It's just William ffs he won't be King till like the 2040s at least, assuming the monarchy is still a thing then (you never know King Charles and Queen Camilla Parker Bowles could very well toxify Buckingham Palace and public opinion about the Monarchy).

I always wondered what would happen if we had a Trump style Prime Minister who openingly bashed and talked shit about the royals in public, somewhat similar to Piers but more 'offensive', especially to Charles, Philip and Andrew. It would provide me with a good amount of lols :lol
 
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https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-44761056

Brexit Secretary David Davis resigns

Brexit Secretary David Davis has resigned from the UK government.

His departure comes days after Theresa May secured the cabinet's backing for her Brexit plan despite claims from critics that it was "soft".

Mr Davis was appointed to the post in 2016 and was responsible for negotiating the UK's EU withdrawal.

Junior minister Steven Baker quit shortly after Mr Davis - as Mrs May prepares to face MPs and peers later.

In his resignation letter, Mr Davis told Mrs May "the current trend of policy and tactics" was making it "look less and less likely" that the UK would leave the customs union and single market.

He said he was "unpersuaded" that the government's negotiating approach "will not just lead to further demands for concessions" from Brussels.

Mr Davis said: "The general direction of policy will leave us in at best a weak negotiating position, and possibly an inescapable one."

In her reply, Mrs May said: "I do not agree with your characterisation of the policy we agreed at Cabinet on Friday."

She said she was "sorry" he was leaving but would "like to thank you warmly for everything you have done... to shape our departure from the EU".

'Absolute chaos'

Conservative MP Peter Bone hailed the resignation as a "principled and brave decision", adding: "The PM's proposals for a Brexit in name only are not acceptable."

Labour Party chairman Ian Lavery said: "This is absolute chaos and Theresa May has no authority left."

Labour leader Jeremy Corbyn said Mrs May was "incapable of delivering Brexit".

'No choice but resignation'
By BBC political editor Laura Kuenssberg

After many months of rumours that he would pull the plug, David Davis has actually quit as Brexit Secretary.

His unhappiness in government has been no secret for some time, but after the prime minister's Chequers agreement with cabinet ministers to pursue closer ties with the EU than he desired, he found his position untenable.

After a visit to Downing Street on Sunday he concluded that he had no choice but to walk.

The move, while not completely surprising, throws doubt on to how secure the government's Brexit strategy is.

In the Commons on Monday Mrs May is expected to tell MPs that the strategy agreed on by the cabinet at Chequers on Friday is the "right Brexit" for Britain.

Brexiteer MP Jacob Rees-Mogg said it would be "very difficult" for Mrs May's plans to win the backing of MPs without Mr Davis.

He told BBC 5 Live: "These proposals will have to come to the House of Commons in legislation and the question is 'will they command support from Conservative MPs?'.

"And I think without David Davis there, without his imprimatur, it will be very difficult for them to get the support of Conservative MPs and therefore the prime minister would be well advised to reconsider them."

BBC political editor Laura Kuenssberg said she understands Mr Davis was "furious" after a meeting at Number 10 earlier on Sunday and "concluded he could not stay in post".

She also said that Environment Secretary Michael Gove is the favourite to take on the vacant post.

On Sunday he told the BBC he was urging Tory MPs to support Mrs May.

Some Remain-supporting politicians said the resignation was evidence of the need for a second referendum.

Baron Adonis, a prominent backer of a second vote, tweeted: "People's Vote to put Brexit out of its misery a big step closer after DD's resignation. Now the Brexiteers holding Mrs May hostage are falling out, there isn't a majority for any withdrawal treaty in Parliament."

Theresa May addressed her cabinet members at a meeting at Chequers on Friday
The Liberal Democrats called on people to sign a petition for a vote on the proposed deal, adding: "The resignation of David Davis is yet more evidence of the chaos of this Tory Brexit. You deserve the final say".

Conservative MP William Wragg, who campaigned for Brexit, said the resignation was "the right thing to do" while Tory MP Andrea Jenkyns, who quit a junior government role earlier this year to "fight for Brexit", said it was "fantastic news", adding: "Well done David Davis for having the principle and guts to resign".

SNP Westminster leader Ian Blackford called on Mrs May to "see sense and bring forward a plan that heeds the mounting evidence against a hard Brexit".

Nigel Farage congratulated Mr Davis for quitting and called for Mrs May to be replaced as prime minister, accusing her of being "duplicitous" and claiming her response "shows she is controlled by the civil service".
 
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If we end up with Boris Johnson as PM <img src="http://i.imgur.com/FA2CI9v.gif" border="0" alt="" title="fpalm" class="inlineimg" />
I think Prime Minister Jacob Rees-Mogg is more likely at this point. He's head of the European Reform Group within the Conservatives and considered more of a brexit God than Boris at this stage. He's also the most popular MP among Conservative party members so if he makes the final two of the leadership election (if May were to lose a confidence vote, I think it'll be one brexiteer and one remainer like Hunt or Sajid) he'll have it in the bag. Just imagine Trump and Rees-Mogg side by side...


Maybe Boris will be Chancellor, he and Rees-Mogg would make quite the team...
 
#64 · (Edited)
I don't get why Britain decided to try and succeed at outdoing America for worst most inept female politicians ever

Hillary Clinton is a retard but she's a rich retard and was a very influential retard for a long time

Theresa May is... just a retard

Just because we colonials broke off the yoke of your tyrannical Crown and supplanted you in the world doesn't mean you should try to do outdo us in things that you shouldn't want to be outdoing anyone in. We were quite happy to provide the worst most inept female politician among the English-speaking peoples, we had it covered, we had her but we didn't actually put her dumb ass in charge of the country! smdh
 
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