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Chris JeriG.O.A.T 04-08-2019 04:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Verbatim17 (Post 77067580)
It depends on what you went to college for. If you only focus on the courses you took in relation to the line of work you wanted and youíre not happy with where you are now, itís probably pointless. It felt like it to me at first, since what I studied (history) never really went anywhere once I left college. My unhappiness partially stemmed from me expecting too much from it.

In hindsight, I donít look back on what I studied as a waste per se since there was a reason I was studying it to begin with, and the skills and knowledge learned from it are useful. But I now also take into account the experiences of everything that happened during those years, like forming new relationships with others and the social development aspect. It makes me realize that college was a good thing for me in the long run. These experiences helped to build me up for a new path in life that I am far happier with now (digital marketing) than when I graduated.

This. My degree in psychology was useless in helping me find a job but the experiences I had, the professors that really helped me grow my mind, the relationships I made, I wouldn't say they were priceless but they were worth my $15K in debt lol.

Chris JeriG.O.A.T 04-08-2019 05:32 PM

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Originally Posted by CamillePunk (Post 77087734)
This is very true. Even for CS majors the bar has been raised from "If you have a Bachelor's we'll hire you" (about 3-5 years ago) to "If you have a bachelor's and an awesome internship we'll consider hiring you but it'd be better if you had a Master's". I graduated just in time, but looking down the road a couple years at all these people majoring in CS, it's gonna be a tough road for them if they can't get into grad school or if they aren't really gung-ho about getting internships while in school. Just having the degree doesn't cut it anymore. This will of course benefit colleges more than anyone, because they'll be (and already are) absolutely rolling in all of the federal grant/loan money from people desperate to break into the industry.

The sad truth is that college right now is way too accessible in the sense that the government will largely subsidize you if you're poor, but in doing so they actually devalue the degree you'll be getting not just for you but for everyone else pursuing the same degree. Without that accessibility more people would look into trade schools and pursue more realistic goals and not bankrupt themselves for degrees that aren't going to get them anywhere in life.

Hold on, what?! I know you and I are as far apart on the political spectrum as any 2 people can be but you can't possibly believe this, can you?

Let me present a hypothetical scenario that specifically removes some of the biased connotations about being poor that some people have:

You're a white person born in a semi-rural area in a trailer park. Your father passed away while working, in a construction accident; your mother can't work because of cancer, the natural kind, not from smoking. As a teenager you had to go to school and work 2 jobs to support your family, you're very smart but your obligations kept you from being a stellar student so you only graduate with a 3.3 gpa. Because you're white and only have decent grades and don't have time to play a sport, nobody is going out of their way to give you a scholarship. You're poor not of your making, not because your parents were lazy welfare queens, not because they made bad decisions, not because they shouldn't have had a kid if they couldn't afford it. None of the scenarios where you libertarians say people deserve the shit they get and the government shouldn't help.

This person should give up whatever dreams they had and just be a plumber or an electrician? This person who may be smart enough to cure cancer, or design a rocket that can get us to Mars in 2 weeks should just be a welder?

CamillePunk 04-08-2019 05:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Chris JeriG.O.A.T (Post 77088040)
Hold on, what?! I know you and I are as far apart on the political spectrum as any 2 people can be but you can't possibly believe this, can you?

Let me present a hypothetical scenario that specifically removes some of the biased connotations about being poor that some people have:

You're a white person born in a semi-rural area in a trailer park. Your father passed away while working, in a construction accident; your mother can't work because of cancer, the natural kind, not from smoking. As a teenager you had to go to school and work 2 jobs to support your family, you're very smart but your obligations kept you from being a stellar student so you only graduate with a 3.3 gpa. Because you're white and only have decent grades and don't have time to play a sport, nobody is going out of their way to give you a scholarship. You're poor not of your making, not because your parents were lazy welfare queens, not because they made bad decisions, not because they shouldn't have had a kid if they couldn't afford it. None of the scenarios where you libertarians say people deserve the shit they get and the government shouldn't help.

This person should give up whatever dreams they had and just be a plumber or an electrician? This person who may be smart enough to cure cancer, or design a rocket that can get us to Mars in 2 weeks should just be a welder?

This is a fantastical hypothetical and not a proper justification for having terrible policies with obviously terrible consequences for the vast majority of people.

Chris JeriG.O.A.T 04-08-2019 05:40 PM

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Originally Posted by CamillePunk (Post 77088064)
This is a fantastical hypothetical and not a proper justification for having terrible policies with obviously terrible consequences for the vast majority of people.

How do Nations where college is significantly cheaper and have a significantly higher percentage of people with degrees stay afloat if these policies are so harmful?

CamillePunk 04-08-2019 05:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Chris JeriG.O.A.T (Post 77088090)
How do Nations where college is significantly cheaper and have a significantly higher percentage of people with degrees stay afloat if these policies are so harmful?

I actually think our current system is worse than the European model. You seem to be implying that we have the same policies with different results, which is incorrect. We have different policies with worse results.

Chris JeriG.O.A.T 04-08-2019 05:50 PM

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Originally Posted by CamillePunk (Post 77088112)
I actually think our current system is worse than the European model. You seem to be implying that we have the same policies with different results, which is incorrect. We have different policies with worse results.

Okay there seems to be a disconnect here: you implied that people who are poor don't deserve government support to help them go to college because it devalues degrees if too many people have them; does it not stand to reason that a system where even more people have degrees that the degrees would be that much more devalued?

CamillePunk 04-08-2019 05:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Chris JeriG.O.A.T (Post 77088150)
Okay there seems to be a disconnect here: you implied that people who are poor don't deserve government support to help them go to college because it devalues degrees if too many people have them; does it not stand to reason that a system where even more people have degrees that the degrees would be that much more devalued?

That's not the only issue I raised, you're oversimplifying my post. The problem with our system is that not only do the degrees get devalued, but also that so many people end up with insurmountable debt that their degree isn't going to help them pay off. While I prefer a completely free market system which would make college much cheaper and degrees much more valuable, I see our current system as even worse than the free tuition system many European countries use, which at least solves one of these issues.

deepelemblues 04-08-2019 05:59 PM

Re: Anyone else feel their college education was pointless?
 
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Originally Posted by Chris JeriG.O.A.T (Post 77088090)
How do Nations where college is significantly cheaper and have a significantly higher percentage of people with degrees stay afloat if these policies are so harmful?

Those nations don't stay afloat as well as the United States though :cudi

Their economic growth going back decades is significantly weaker than that of the United States, their unemployment has been significantly higher going back decades, and most of them had no choice but to go austerity in 2009 while the Fed was creating trillions out of thin air to prop up their national central banks and the ECB because the US economy was strong enough to handle that kind of inflationary/debt pressure

Their higher education policies are a small part of why that is so, but they're still a part :draper2

Chris JeriG.O.A.T 04-08-2019 06:09 PM

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Originally Posted by deepelemblues (Post 77088194)
Those nations don't stay afloat as well as the United States though :cudi

Their economic growth going back decades is significantly weaker than that of the United States, their unemployment has been significantly higher going back decades, and most of them had no choice but to go austerity in 2009 while the Fed was creating trillions out of thin air to prop up their national central banks and the ECB because the US economy was strong enough to handle that kind of inflationary/debt pressure

Their higher education policies are a small part of why that is so, but they're still a part :draper2

The US currently has manufacturing and mining, neither of which will last the next 2 decades. Then what? If we don't educate our society and create new industries there's no way 180M people can all go to trade schools or farm.

AlternateDemise 04-08-2019 08:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Chris JeriG.O.A.T (Post 77087846)
This. My degree in psychology was useless in helping me find a job but the experiences I had, the professors that really helped me grow my mind, the relationships I made, I wouldn't say they were priceless but they were worth my $15K in debt lol.

You should consider yourself lucky you only got $15k in debt.


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