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Jon Moxley on AEW's Story Telling: "We're Planting the Seeds for stuff now that's Going to Pay off Years from Now"

Watched Moxley's interview as a part of Starrcast IV, and that was one of the notable things he said, he went quite in depth on a lot of stuff, and if you can find it, I would highly recommend to watch it.

I found the above statement to be interesting, AEW doing long built up story telling is one thing I'm very excited for, and hopefully something that differentiates them from WWE. WWE has so many plot holes in the overarching narrative, and I guess a lot of that is unavoidable in pro-wrestling, but we hardly ever get longterm, built up storylines and programs for people, that I really hope this is somewhere AEW accels at.

I mean, the last long storyling with some intrigue in the WWE was "Who Killed Roman", and that shit got pretty bad, pretty quickly. I already see some overarching plot points being established like Moxley/Management, Hangman never being around when The Elite gets into skirmishes, obviously all the stuff with MJF etc.

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Re: Jon Moxley on AEW's Story Telling: "We're Planting the Seeds for stuff now that's Going to Pay off Years from Now"

I just hope that with the instant gratification mindset that seems to occupy a lot of people today that they will stick to it. Iím all up for long and intriguing storylines and as you mentioned above, AEW has certainly given us quite a few things to ponder about already.

I really hope that AEW will be around in years to come as I cannot express how happy I am to have an alternative to WWE. The joy of finishing watching the episode and cannot wait until next Wednesday really takes me back to different times in wrestling and itís not a nostalgic thing to me, just rekindled my love for it.

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I just hope that with the instant gratification mindset that seems to occupy a lot of people today that they will stick to it. Iím all up for long and intriguing storylines and as you mentioned above, AEW has certainly given us quite a few things to ponder about already.
It's the fucking worst with people and MJF, there is so much legs to the MJF/Cody storyline, and it's like so many people just want them to blow their load right away and have MJF turn at Full Gear. Hell, people wanted the turn to happen at All Out.

That's WAY too fucking quickly, there's so much mileage to the thing, but WWE has conditioned everyone to expect 1 week, or no builds for turns and major angles that I guess it is what it is.

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It's the fucking worst with people and MJF, there is so much legs to the MJF/Cody storyline, and it's like so many people just want them to blow their load right away and have MJF turn at Full Gear. Hell, people wanted the turn to happen at All Out.

That's WAY too fucking quickly, there's so much mileage to the thing, but WWE has conditioned everyone to expect 1 week, or no builds for turns and major angles that I guess it is what it is.
That annoys me as well. Why would MJF turn NOW? 6 weeks into live TV? People are so damn impatient. Then those same people will be the first to complain about how the Cody/MJF feud doesn't have enough story behind it or how it fell flat. MJF shouldn't be turning on Cody until next summer/fall at the absolute earliest. There are also some people who think that Luchasaurus and Jungle Boy should break up already. Then 2 months later they'd be on social media complaining about how AEW doesn't have any established tag teams. Like what? Fans are fickle AF. WWE conditioning is definitely what it is. WWE is ruining wrestling for those who look at this shit as an art form.




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Re: Jon Moxley on AEW's Story Telling: "We're Planting the Seeds for stuff now that's Going to Pay off Years from Now"

I dont even think MJF has to truly turn.

Luger/Sting scenario would work perfectly.
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Build then payoff, AEW know wrestling.

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Re: Jon Moxley on AEW's Story Telling: "We're Planting the Seeds for stuff now that's Going to Pay off Years from Now"

This is what people have been telling those who are concern trolling for months. Sure, some things won't pay-off properly. That's expected. But some things are going to cook better because they were allowed to stew. The focus on instant ratings & making sure certain segments win over others has irreparably damaged wrestling. Vince Russo crossed the alps and 20 years later, we still pay for the sins of Vince McMahon listening to him for more than three seconds.
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The short attention span of some fans is really quite annoying.
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They were too passive the first couple or weeks not gonna lie, probably the reason they lost so many viewers.

Right now, the show is great and on a nice pace, keep going.
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This is what people have been telling those who are concern trolling for months. Sure, some things won't pay-off properly. That's expected. But some things are going to cook better because they were allowed to stew. The focus on instant ratings & making sure certain segments win over others has irreparably damaged wrestling. Vince Russo crossed the alps and 20 years later, we still pay for the sins of Vince McMahon listening to him for more than three seconds.
Long-term and short-term booking both have their pros and cons, but IMO when done well, short-term booking is the only booking that can genuinely listen to the fans.

Long-term booking always requires you to work the fans into buying what you want them to buy.

It’s the opposite principle to having a free market of situations that the audience accepts or rejects to determine next week’s direction of the show.

If fans figure it out or react against your wishes, then you’re stuck in a long-term arc that nobody wants to see.

Short-term pros:
- crowd reactions literally influence the next week’s show. If you chant for Rusev, then Rusev gets more airtime next week.
- can immediately correct course in response to unexpected factors that affect how the storyline has played out
- Injuries or unexpected crowd reactions are easier to write around with new storylines that won’t ruin the other moving pieces.
- Principle of free market (audience) guides the product

Russo’s Undertaker in a Kane mask surprise was the culmination of multiple storylines coming together after 7 months - it wasn’t planned in advanced, but it doesn’t mean logical conclusions can’t be reached when the crowd energy and timing is right.

AEW’s crowd is highly willing to go along with the show out of respect, but there are undoubtedly challenges with any form of long-term booking in such a dynamic, agile environment.

Realistically, they’ll use a combination of both when appropriate.
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