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At least I can listen to Cornette talk. Meltzer can't even finish a thought without stuttering into another one. It's impossible to listen to that guy speak, I don't know how some people can listen to his podcast.
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I mean.... Dave Meltzer ain’t shit either

There are people on this forum whose opinion I put higher than both of those bums

Including my own opinion

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Cornette may be very old school but he knows the business and has some very good points about AEW. Especially about how AEW just throws indie wrestlers out there and just expects fans to know or care who they are.
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Cornette may be very old school but he knows the business and has some very good points about AEW. Especially about how AEW just throws indie wrestlers out there and just expects fans to know or care who they are.
Who expects that? In the 'old days' wrestling was exactly like that. You went out and had to get over. You didn't start out over. And whether you do or not determines your success. That certainly appears to be how AEW is doing it.

The promotion can't come out and get you over for you. The performer has to get over.

Did Bret or Austin or Rock get huge cheers when they first started their character arcs?
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In the ‘old days’ there was hardly promos and never video packages

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I wonder if Cornette being involved with NWA has anything to do with his opinion that studio wrestling is synonymous with old school.
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We really need a come to Jesus moment on Dave Meltzer because the guy DOES NOT report his opinion as facts - people on the internet do. He's a blogger and a journalist who does a lot of commentary and opinion pieces. If people take his thoughts and make threads about them where THEY claim to be facts, that's not his fault

Especially since on the rare occasions where he does say he has actual real sources, Meltzer is usually correct. He's spoiled MULTIPLE events this year that nobody saw coming. Yet people still go after his editorials as if he's calling those facts - he doesn't
So much this. While he does have plenty of legitimate sources and does have actual news, people need to remember a lot of the things he says are either his own speculation off of a little information he heard (and if you go by Meltzer directly instead of second hand reporting he makes it very clear he's just trying to speculate) and a lot of reviews but people seem to misunderstand and think everything he says is being presented as facts when that's not the case. There is a huge gap between him saying he's heard plans from multiple people within a company or heard reports about someone being signed somewhere as opposed to "Someone within the company told me something kind of vague related to this topic, this is my assumption of what that means but this is just my thoughts rather than actual facts."

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I like listening to Cornette's rants.

I don't always agree with him and most of the time, he sounds like an old man yelling at the sky, but he's fun.
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Jim Cornette has a brilliant mind for creative and has contributed a lot of memorable angles to the WWF/E that are still being talked about to this day. In fact, Kane's perfect debut was all Cornette. Now, he had some stinkers too, but facts are facts, his batting average is very much on the positive. Cornette tends to be very opinionated sometimes and that puts off certain fans from taking him seriously, but this work more than speaks for itself.

I don't think people realize Meltzer's contributions to the wrestling business or his impact on it. He's the only wrestling journalist or "gossip columnist" as some people like to call him who has produced consistently true analytics and metrics on wrestling shows (WWE, WCW, TNA, AEW and more). So much so that even influential people like Vince and Bischoff/Turner took him seriously, and in fact used information that he was selling. He was the only one who spoke the truth about the wrestling organization's steroid use while McMahon was doing anything and everything to keep everyone quiet (promise of jobs, money, etc). He reported the truth on the Montreal incident which was corroborated by what was happening during the Owen Hart death litigations. He also exposed Vince's, Triple HGH's, Bischoff's, Russo's, Heyman's and Prichard's lies on multiple occasions.

Contrary to popular belief, Meltzer has a good mind for the wrestling business too. In fact, he would be a better creative guy than the guy currently in charge of creative, Triple HGH.

The dividing line between Meltzer and Cornette is that Meltzer is far more contemporary than Cornette. Cornette is still stuck in the old ways of wrestling and doesn't quite understand the millennial generation as it pertains to pro wrestling.
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Cornette may be very old school but he knows the business and has some very good points about AEW. Especially about how AEW just throws indie wrestlers out there and just expects fans to know or care who they are.
You know the famous line that Dusty told Arn Anderson when he first met him right?.

"Go get Over". Applies to today's wrestling.

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Good thing that his opinion is irrelevant since he was proved wrong by facts 5 years ago.
Please tell me more about those FACTS.

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