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I guess I just don't get the complaint. Every entertainment property has people like this. You don't have to be a politician to be a political pundit who makes money from listeners. Nate Silver never ran for president. Ariel Helwani has never had an MMA match. I'm not sure Roger Ebert ever made a movie (could be wrong)

So I don't really get your complaint. He makes money because people like him and don't care that he's never "been in the business"
Well it's not a complaint lol. I just think it's remarkable he's made so much money and got so much respect while never working in the business. Even with the Ariel and Ebert examples their money and respect in part is owed to being apart of official media, be it newspapers or websites with media credentials. I could be wrong, but I don't think Meltzer had that type of help.
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Who expects that? In the 'old days' wrestling was exactly like that. You went out and had to get over. You didn't start out over. And whether you do or not determines your success. That certainly appears to be how AEW is doing it.

The promotion can't come out and get you over for you. The performer has to get over.

Did Bret or Austin or Rock get huge cheers when they first started their character arcs?
Go get over is one thing, but give the guys an actual chance to build their character. Orange Cassidy just goes out and does his thing, no one knows why (unless you are an indy fan that follows him.) AEW is missing the why. There's a major lack of storytelling. For example if Impact Wrestling just brought out Eddie Edwards with his kendo stick every week talking about how hardcore he is, no one would give a rat's ass. But there's a story, he's got ongoing struggles in his marriage, now someone else on the roster is trying to get in the middle of that and it's creating a feud you can actually care about. Wrestling is bland without storytelling.

The main event scene in AEW is doing an ok job with that, but I still don't really get why Jon Moxley and Kenny Omega hate each other. Everything Jericho touches turns into gold, I get that, but now he's got this random group that doesn't really fit (although Sammy is starting to grow on me.) I guess Jake Hager in his role makes sense too, seems like they just threw LAX in there as the random tag team though. I guess my biggest gripe is you've got Moxley's feud and Jericho's feud as the two main stories each week but there's no other storylines. Every title should have feuds and storylines involved with them regularly. And there should be a couple non title feuds as well, like Moxley/Omega. That's what gives the wrestlers stories and meaning.

Rock/Austin also joined established brands. I guess the lack of star power (minus the few guys at the top) is what startles me. At least use guys like Dustin Rhodes in storylines with non established mainstream guys (90%) of the roster to put them over and establish them.
No wrestler ever got over due to just ring work.

Have the current generation got the charisma to be involved in engaging storylines?

Genuine question.

Stick them in a half hour spot fest and thats fine.

Would you want to watch a month long program with long promos by the young bucks cos they have stole the lucha bros mask?

Probably not.

They have nothing to say other than I am the best wrestler.
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I respect Cornette and sometimes get where he's coming from, but for the most part he just wants wrestling to be like it was in the 70s and 80s and that is simply unrealistic. Like everything else things need to progress or it gets stale. Cornette just can't handle change.
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No wrestler ever got over due to just ring work.

Have the current generation got the charisma to be involved in engaging storylines?

Genuine question.

Stick them in a half hour spot fest and thats fine.

Would you want to watch a month long program with long promos by the young bucks cos they have stole the lucha bros mask?

Probably not.

They have nothing to say other than I am the best wrestler.
So what you're basically saying is that they don't have enough talent on the roster? I can't think of many successful modern day wrestlers or teams that got over on television without being charismatic. And the most successful ones, that is what they're successful for. Even the ones who could put on a classic match, still could build a story as well.
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No wrestler ever got over due to just ring work.

Have the current generation got the charisma to be involved in engaging storylines?

Genuine question.

Stick them in a half hour spot fest and thats fine.

Would you want to watch a month long program with long promos by the young bucks cos they have stole the lucha bros mask?

Probably not.

They have nothing to say other than I am the best wrestler.
So what you're basically saying is that they don't have enough talent on the roster? I can't think of many successful modern day wrestlers or teams that got over on television without being charismatic. And the most successful ones, that is what they're successful for. Even the ones who could put on a classic match, still could build a story as well.
Look at the popularity of MJF after his promo with Hart, it skyrocketed.

I'm not saying Young Bucks etc, don't have charisma, but it's not 10 out of 10 charisma.

Where do we get these charismatic wrestlers from? They don't seem to exist anymore.
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I mean his newsletter and ratings system are really useless to the wrestling business in the grand scheme of things. But the fact he's made a decades long career off giving his opinion and giving 2nd hand information to nosey fans is amazing.
Obvious that you've never read the newsletter, and if you haven't, how can you even say something like that? The news and star ratings are one component of his newsletter, not even the most compelling, just the ones the idiots run with on forums and websites because it provides easy clickbait.

His historical pieces, analysis on business metrics etc. are really what the observer is about, but that content is more that 3 sentences long and can't be warped into a headline so he doesn't get much credit for that stuff.

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I respect Cornette and sometimes get where he's coming from, but for the most part he just wants wrestling to be like it was in the 70s and 80s and that is simply unrealistic. Like everything else things need to progress or it gets stale. Cornette just can't handle change.
Listening to his shows he wanted AEW to do well but says there is no psychology spamming moves and every match being 20+ minutes, which is not wrong. he always says stuff he enjoys on the show it's not blind hate.
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most of the wrestling these days is just not that good. Im glad there is somebody like Cornette who doesnt sugarcoat things or give you that whole "wrestling has evolved" bullshit. when its good he praises it. like recent SD!

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Obvious that you've never read the newsletter, and if you haven't, how can you even say something like that? The news and star ratings are one component of his newsletter, not even the most compelling, just the ones the idiots run with on forums and websites because it provides easy clickbait.



His historical pieces, analysis on business metrics etc. are really what the observer is about, but that content is more that 3 sentences long and can't be warped into a headline so he doesn't get much credit for that stuff.
And again none of that changes my ultimate point lol. He's not a wrestler or promoter, but yet has probably made more money than most in the business. I'm not knocking his craft as much as going "damn he made all that money doing that"
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And again none of that changes my ultimate point lol. He's not a wrestler or promoter, but yet has probably made more money than most in the business. I'm not knocking his craft as much as going "damn he made all that money doing that"
I mean, you are saying the information he has provided was useless(you literally said that), when in reality a lot of his business analysis have been used by wrestling promoters. Again, it's unfair to make that assessment when you are uninformed about his work.

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