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Re: AEW TV Ratings, PPV Buys & Ticket Sales Thread: LET'S GO CRAZY! LET'S GET NUTS!

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Now this isn't great evidence, but at least from the folk I know that aren't viewers of E3 the big thing was price point. But yeah thats an all time worst press conference lol.


Yeah the PS4 was like $100 cheaper than the Xbox One. Though Inbred is right and Microsoft fucked themselves with a terrible press conference.
how did you guys ended up talking about video game Rap?
i am laughing hard right now

but to add to the debate we shouldn't forget that what sold PS4 on people except from the price ( PS4 is more expensive for Europe but it still destroyed xbox) was Sony's communication, but we shouldn't forget the exclusives too which gave Sony an advantage.
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also people didn't like that triple threat? I watched the event with some non wrestling friends, and it was their favorite one, the skateboard spot was the talk of the night for us
I think we wrestling fans tend to assume the general audience takes wrestling seriously for wants serious wrestling all te time. but maybe we are wrong and the crazy shit ends up being more entertaining ? don't know lol

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Re: AEW TV Ratings, PPV Buys & Ticket Sales Thread: LET'S GO CRAZY! LET'S GET NUTS!

I can understand the people who didn't like the triple threat. It was what it was and if I have the chance to fast forward, will do that everytime.

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Re: AEW TV Ratings, PPV Buys & Ticket Sales Thread: LET'S GO CRAZY! LET'S GET NUTS!

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how did you guys ended up talking about video game Rap?
i am laughing hard right now

but to add to the debate we shouldn't forget that what sold PS4 on people except from the price ( PS4 is more expensive for Europe but it still destroyed xbox) was Sony's communication, but we shouldn't forget the exclusives too which gave Sony an advantage.
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also people didn't like that triple threat? I watched the event with some non wrestling friends, and it was their favorite one, the skateboard spot was the talk of the night for us
I think we wrestling fans tend to assume the general audience takes wrestling seriously for wants serious wrestling all te time. but maybe we are wrong and the crazy shit ends up being more entertaining ? don't know lol
Oh just replying to another reply from before the ratings thread. I agree non-fans dont take it as serious though.
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Has nothing to do with different tastes. If you enjoy shit like that I question your IQ and basic abilities. But Im aware that some are just gonna say everything AEW does is great for the fuck of it. They could have the fat dude from the Dark Order get fucked up the ass with an iron by one of his gimps and you'd just say.."you dont understand WWE mark, different tastes!"...so like..okay. lol
Nothing is "Objectively" bad. Stop it. You don't get to decide what people should or shouldn't like. And as for AEW, there are plenty on the oposite extreme and neither viewpoint is "Correct".

What you can have is a CONSENSUS that something is bad, and that may influence how things of its' nature are perceived, but in no way should anyone goo "IF YOU LIKE THIS YOU ARE INFERIOR TO ME AND I PASS JUDGEMENT UPON YOU".

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Re: AEW TV Ratings, PPV Buys & Ticket Sales Thread: LET'S GO CRAZY! LET'S GET NUTS!

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They've emphasized the fact that they want there to be a little bit of something for everyone.
Frankly this worries me. It’s pretty much = ‘they want to be all things to all people’ and that never works in anything.

I think they’d be much better off deciding and defining exactly who and what they are and finding that audience. If it’s ‘serious sports-based promotion’ or ‘bad Orange Cassidy comedy promotion’ or ‘flippy little boys YB promotion’ or ‘throwback Cody nostalgia pop psychology-based matches promotion’ — at least they’d gain 100 percent of whatever audience is there for that.

To try to be a little bit of this and a little bit of that ultimately leaves the people who like this or that dissatisfied because they only got a taste and turning those same people off to the other stuff they don’t like.

Whatever AEW is going to be, it needs to figure that out and be that IMO.
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Frankly this worries me. It’s pretty much = ‘they want to be all things to all people’ and that never works in anything.

I think they’d be much better off deciding and defining exactly who and what they are and finding that audience. If it’s ‘serious sports-based promotion’ or ‘bad Orange Cassidy comedy promotion’ or ‘flippy little boys YB promotion’ or ‘throwback Cody nostalgia pop psychology-based matches promotion’ — at least they’d gain 100 percent of whatever audience is there for that.

To try to be a little bit of this and a little bit of that ultimately leaves the people who like this or that dissatisfied because they only got a taste and turning those same people off to the other stuff they don’t like.

Whatever AEW is going to be, it needs to figure that out and be that IMO.
That's true when they half-arse everything, if they actually put on the best versions of the individual styles then, even when you're watching a style that doesn't appeal, you at least know you're watching the best version of it and that the next match will appeal to you and will be great.

Imagine watching WWE's micromanaged version of Orange Cassidy followed by their micromanaged version of The Young Bucks followed by their micromanaged version of Cody vs Dustin. Well, we've seen that



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That's true when they half-arse everything, if they actually put on the best versions of the individual styles then, even when you're watching a style that doesn't appeal, you at least know you're watching the best version of it and that the next match will appeal to you and will be great.

Imagine watching WWE's micromanaged version of Orange Cassidy followed by their micromanaged version of The Young Bucks followed by their micromanaged version of Cody vs Dustin. Well, we've seen that



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I hear you, but it doesn’t mean ‘let Orange Cassidy do what he wants’ is going to be better. In fact, I think it might be worse.

This is the same promotion that brought us the Librarians and thought it was a good idea. I wonder where the filter is. This bunch very much marks for their own in-jokes.
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I hear you, but it doesn’t mean ‘let Orange Cassidy do what he wants’ is going to be better. In fact, I think it might be worse.

This is the same promotion that brought us the Librarians and thought it was a good idea. I wonder where the filter is. This bunch very much marks for their own in-jokes.
Sure, The Librarians will always be the stick used to beat them but look, they worked on BTE which is the fanbase AEW have locked down so it made sense to try them in front a larger audience; sadly they are an act that needs to be built to if iit is to have a chance of working (see Emma moving from NXT to the main roster). They didn't work so they've been scaled back and maybe they'll work in this less prominent role or maybe they'll be gettisoned altogether but here's the thing, I'd rather they take a few risks than play it safe. There are are no spectacular rewards without the possibility of spectacular failures.

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Sure, The Librarians will always be the stick used to beat them but look, they worked on BTE which is the fanbase AEW have locked down so it made sense to try them in front a larger audience; sadly they are an act that needs to be built to if iit is to have a chance of working (see Emma moving from NXT to the main roster). They didn't work so they've been scaled back and maybe they'll work in this less prominent role or maybe they'll be gettisoned altogether but here's the thing, I'd rather they take a few risks than play it safe. There are are no spectacular rewards without the possibility of spectacular failures.
As I said, I wonder where the filter is.

As mentioned, I think they’re way to into their own in-jokes — they think it’s funny and their die-hards who watch their YouTube (or some of them) think it’s funny ... but that doesn’t mean those things are made for TV or PPVs.

I worry that there’s some ‘well Omega thinks this is cool and we’ll let him do this, but if he gets to do this then we get to do that ...’ which can be disastrous. Who in the room (or group phone text chat) stand up and says, ‘Yeah, Bucks, that was a cute silly bit on YouTube but no way we’re doing it on TV’?
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Re: AEW TV Ratings, PPV Buys & Ticket Sales Thread: LET'S GO CRAZY! LET'S GET NUTS!

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Frankly this worries me. It’s pretty much = ‘they want to be all things to all people’ and that never works in anything.

I think they’d be much better off deciding and defining exactly who and what they are and finding that audience. If it’s ‘serious sports-based promotion’ or ‘bad Orange Cassidy comedy promotion’ or ‘flippy little boys YB promotion’ or ‘throwback Cody nostalgia pop psychology-based matches promotion’ — at least they’d gain 100 percent of whatever audience is there for that.

To try to be a little bit of this and a little bit of that ultimately leaves the people who like this or that dissatisfied because they only got a taste and turning those same people off to the other stuff they don’t like.

Whatever AEW is going to be, it needs to figure that out and be that IMO.
Except they’re not the same thing. ‘Something for everyone’ is not ‘all things to all people’ — there’s a subtle but significant difference between the two.

The problem with your proposal is, going 100% after one small portion of the audience is pretty much cutting off a much larger audience. Cody has already been crucified for suggesting they’re not going after the casual fan. There’s no reason why they can’t offer the variety of styles as they’re currently doing to appeal to as wide a wrestling audience as possible. In fact that’s the biggest aspect that draws me to their product — seeing different workers and styles that I’d never see if they stuck to just one.

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