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Kenny isn't as well known to Western fans. And they want to attract as many people to their product as possible to start with. Using this idea, it'd even make more sense to put the title on Moxley before Kenny TBH.

So let Kenny feud with Moxley, who IS known more to Western fans and build up his profile for awhile and THEN have him win the title.

Also it gets around the potential complaints of The Elite "only pushing themselves."
firstable no one gives a fuck about people complaining about the elite being pushed. If people dont watch wrestling for its quality but are more worried about backstage shit, then they can fuck off.
Secondly you are overestimating how over Moxley is. The western wrestling fanbase , is just an hardcore fanbase. That's it only 2 millions people watch raw, the wrestling fanbase has diminished to a point where its incredible, most are lapsed fans. And omega is hell well known to the western hardcore fanbase. That's the reason why they were selling out arenas in the west with him. Because they are a draw among the western fanbase( which is at this point an hardcore fanbase)
I can understand the decision of giving Moxley the win but people acting like it needs to happen because he is some super popular dude is ridiculous. None of these guys except Y2j is a mainstream name. Period
Should Moxley win? Certainly
Is it because of his popularity? Fuck no, it's because they want omega to do the chase because he is phenomenal at it and it's an important part to establish him as the fave of the company. The same way njpw had him do the chase so when he became champ he gave that "best in the world aura"
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Re: What is the appeal in having Jericho be the focus of AEW in 2019?

He's a known star and a commodity in the wrestling business, and considering AEW has to lean predominantly on unknowns, its good to have him around to kind of rub off on everybody and make it feel bigger.

He's not a Rock level star or anything like that, but he lends a little more credibility to the proceedings, and that prevents AEW from being perceived as an Indy with a budget, at least for now.

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Re: What is the appeal in having Jericho be the focus of AEW in 2019?

Jericho is THE focus?

News to me. Sure he is part of the focus. But last I checked, for a company that's only 1 show old for crying out loud, there putting just as much focus on guys like Omega, Mox, Cody, The Bucks, MJF, Hangman. etc.

Jericho is a big name in the wrestling world to help them establish some credibility plus he's established himself away from WWE the last 2 years in Japan and now in AEW. It's not like he's still trotting out the list or wearing a suit or screaming "C'mon Baby!" He's made the effort to reinvent himself.

So there's really nothing wrong with what they're doing.



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firstable no one gives a fuck about people complaining about the elite being pushed. If people dont watch wrestling for its quality but are more worried about backstage shit, then they can fuck off.
Secondly you are overestimating how over Moxley is. The western wrestling fanbase , is just an hardcore fanbase. That's it only 2 millions people watch raw, the wrestling fanbase has diminished to a point where its incredible, most are lapsed fans. And omega is hell well known to the western hardcore fanbase. That's the reason why they were selling out arenas in the west with him. Because they are a draw among the western fanbase( which is at this point an hardcore fanbase)
I can understand the decision of giving Moxley the win but people acting like it needs to happen because he is some super popular dude is ridiculous. None of these guys except Y2j is a mainstream name. Period
Should Moxley win? Certainly
Is it because of his popularity? Fuck no, it's because they want omega to do the chase because he is phenomenal at it and it's an important part to establish him as the fave of the company. The same way njpw had him do the chase so when he became champ he gave that "best in the world aura"
What was the biggest venue that Omega sold out in the US?
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firstable no one gives a fuck about people complaining about the elite being pushed. If people dont watch wrestling for its quality but are more worried about backstage shit, then they can fuck off.
Secondly you are overestimating how over Moxley is. The western wrestling fanbase , is just an hardcore fanbase. That's it only 2 millions people watch raw, the wrestling fanbase has diminished to a point where its incredible, most are lapsed fans. And omega is hell well known to the western hardcore fanbase. That's the reason why they were selling out arenas in the west with him. Because they are a draw among the western fanbase( which is at this point an hardcore fanbase)
I can understand the decision of giving Moxley the win but people acting like it needs to happen because he is some super popular dude is ridiculous. None of these guys except Y2j is a mainstream name. Period
Should Moxley win? Certainly
Is it because of his popularity? Fuck no, it's because they want omega to do the chase because he is phenomenal at it and it's an important part to establish him as the fave of the company. The same way njpw had him do the chase so when he became champ he gave that "best in the world aura"
What was the biggest venue that Omega sold out in the US?
the G1 San Francisco, 2018 was around 2018.
Ps : inb4 anything its impossible to know even how Moxley can sell, maybe he can sell more than when he was doing in the us because he is unrestricted, maybe not. Thing is, in wwe the show rarely sell out due to the talent but due to the wwe machine.
And again I still insist that people arguing that anyone bar Jericho in that roster as mainstream popularity is just daydreaming.
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the G1 San Francisco, 2018 was around 2018.
Ps : inb4 anything its impossible to know even how Moxley can sell, maybe he can sell more than when he was doing in the us because he is unrestricted, maybe not. Thing is, in wwe the show rarely sell out due to the talent but due to the wwe machine.
And again I still insist that people arguing that anyone bar Jericho in that roster as mainstream popularity is just daydreaming.
That wasn't a sell out. They had an attendance of 6000 in a venue that was set up to seat 10K people.

Jericho is more well known because he was a part of the hottest period of wrestling ever, but at this moment in time, Moxley is their hottest star.
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the G1 San Francisco, 2018 was around 2018.
Ps : inb4 anything its impossible to know even how Moxley can sell, maybe he can sell more than when he was doing in the us because he is unrestricted, maybe not. Thing is, in wwe the show rarely sell out due to the talent but due to the wwe machine.
And again I still insist that people arguing that anyone bar Jericho in that roster as mainstream popularity is just daydreaming.
That wasn't a sell out. They had an attendance of 6000 in a venue that was set up to seat 10K people.

Jericho is more well known because he was a part of the hottest period of wrestling ever, but at this moment in time, Moxley is their hottest star.
indeed the previous year was the one that did well.
Jericho is their biggest star period, that's what I said. Dont care about the reason bro.......
course Moxley is their hottest star, because the "hot" star is heavily relying on a buzz. And Moxley is their latest big name, went straight from the wwe to a rival promotion. And ended the last show on top crashing at the end of their main event. How is he not supposed to be their hottest star? In fact I do agree with it. That was never my point to begin with
But being hot and being the mega popular guy that people are selling me is two thing. Moxley isnt mainstream hence he is well known in the wrestling community which is basically a hardcore audience at this point. That's my point.
Ps : I had every show done in the us with the numbers, but I'll look for them and certainly post them.
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Re: What is the appeal in having Jericho be the focus of AEW in 2019?

I guess you did not watch Omega v. Jericho... Both times!

AEW needs big names to bring people to watch. Why do you think the NJPW world had a 40% increase for the run up to Wrestle Kingdom 12??

But hey he doesn't draw...

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indeed the previous year was the one that did well.
Jericho is their biggest star period, that's what I said. Dont care about the reason bro.......
course Moxley is their hottest star, because the "hot" star is heavily relying on a buzz. And Moxley is their latest big name, went straight from the wwe to a rival promotion. And ended the last show on top crashing at the end of their main event. How is he not supposed to be their hottest star? In fact I do agree with it. That was never my point to begin with
But being hot and being the mega popular guy that people are selling me is two thing. Moxley isnt mainstream hence he is well known in the wrestling community which is basically a hardcore audience at this point. That's my point.
Ps : I had every show done in the us with the numbers, but I'll look for them and certainly post them.
Yes, the one from 2017 was a sellout, but they only had 2300 people. It was a small venue.

It's not Omega's fault. He just simply has not been exposed to a big American audience, until now.
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indeed the previous year was the one that did well.
Jericho is their biggest star period, that's what I said. Dont care about the reason bro.......
course Moxley is their hottest star, because the "hot" star is heavily relying on a buzz. And Moxley is their latest big name, went straight from the wwe to a rival promotion. And ended the last show on top crashing at the end of their main event. How is he not supposed to be their hottest star? In fact I do agree with it. That was never my point to begin with <img src="http://i.imgur.com/EGDmCdR.gif?1?6573" border="0" alt="" title="Laugh" class="inlineimg" />
But being hot and being the mega popular guy that people are selling me is two thing. Moxley isnt mainstream hence he is well known in the wrestling community which is basically a hardcore audience at this point. That's my point.
Ps : I had every show done in the us with the numbers, but I'll look for them and certainly post them.
Yes, the one from 2017 was a sellout, but they only had 2300 people. It was a small venue.

It's not Omega's fault. He just simply has not been exposed to a big American audience, until now.
and that was the point that they could sell more , which was right when they sold out all in but it doesnt count because the event in itself/the concept sold the event. Same for double or nothing and all out was sold out for the same reason, the success of DON, they hype, the good news about it , the critical acclaim and the quality of the show. Which was ALSO my point. So far none of them are a draw except Y2j and omega in the us. Am I saying Moxley isnt ? Fuck no ( which is why this conversation was useless to begin with) I am saying when someone is just out of the awe we cant use his wwe feats to establish him as a draw/guy that sell because in wwe the brand itself is the draw. Which was my point when people started saying Moxley was a huge draw, I said no we dont know. Because we cant use his wwe feats. Which were basically the wwe brand drawing the events.
How was that difficult to understand? I dont know. At this point even cody is proved a draw. No matter how small he draws, as for someone like moey we cant know YET because we cant take the wwe drawing and attributing it to a star.( except guys like the rock stone cold or cena).
And AEW is following the wwe path, its the idea, the concept of aew and the way they present themselves that draws. ( plus the period we are in)
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