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this forum is the only place where selling 120k ppt and then around 100k ppv in your first two ppv is a disaster, and people will go at it withe heir analytics and be proven wrong
there was another guy here swearing on his mother that aew wouldn't get a tv deal because " no way tnt Is going to offer them a contract when they have no star and just a bunch of jobbers" he was proven wrong and disappeared.
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post #3072 of 3277 (permalink) Old 09-11-2019, 03:17 PM
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Business metrics is the best way to gauge if a professional wrestling company is good or bad.

Niche metrics show the product isn't appealing objectively, but only to rare subset of the audience.

Every one has internet today, but not everyone knows or cares about the inner workings of the business, there's a rare niche audience that does.

Since what is niche usually deviates from the original genre, it doesn't have mass appeal. hence why WWE is failing, that's not what the market wants.

AEW being like the WWE and the niche market will only attract a capped(1.5 million viewers) market that WWE has.

Instead they should be an alternative to WWE and produce mainstream professional wrestling to tap into the 10-20 million market.

This is why ECW never grew, most wrestling fans weren't bloodthirsty during that time, they preferred story/characters.

People will say "why ruin people's enjoyment".

This causes an impasse.

Either they ruin your enjoyment or the 10-20 million viewers out there enjoyment.

Since Wrestling Fans(casuals) and Wrestling Fanatics(niche) are one two different sides of the spectrum.

If that's the case since they are a business and Wrestling needs that market, they have to go with casuals.

If you don't enjoy Mainstream wrestling focused on story/characters then Mainstream Professional wrestling isn't for you. what AEW was hyped as isn't for you, and you're better off sticking with the niche subsets such as NJPW or ROH.

TLDR: If you're saying you want AEW to not appeal to casuals and focus on story/character then simply admit that you don't want a mainstream alternative to WWE, because they're not going anywhere unless they appeal to casuals. they won't draw one extra cent by appealing to fanatics who watch anyways.

I will criticize AEW until it get it right,

if you want WWE to continue to have a monopoly on this business then continue to lie to yourselves and pretend everything they're doing is good.

If they fail, even slightly then it will be looked at worse than TNA wrestling because unlike TNA, this will have ended any interest in non-WWE wrestling by Mainstream North American wrestling, the DVR proof argument won't work, this will be the final straw to TV execs who since the 1980's haven't wanted to touch a wrestling company with a 10ft poll(look at how Turner execs treated WCW before 1996, or the excuse they used to get rid of WCW despite still making money in 2001, or SpikeTV not giving Dixie another chance because she played the negotiation games in 2014.
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Fookin ell that is a bit of a read isnít it

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Business metrics is the best way to gauge if a professional wrestling company is good or bad.

Niche metrics show the product isn't appealing objectively, but only to rare subset of the audience.

Every one has internet today, but not everyone knows or cares about the inner workings of the business, there's a rare niche audience that does.

Since what is niche usually deviates from the original genre, it doesn't have mass appeal. hence why WWE is failing, that's not what the market wants.

AEW being like the WWE and the niche market will only attract a capped(1.5 million viewers) market that WWE has.

Instead they should be an alternative to WWE and produce mainstream professional wrestling to tap into the 10-20 million market.

This is why ECW never grew, most wrestling fans weren't bloodthirsty during that time, they preferred story/characters.

People will say "why ruin people's enjoyment".

This causes an impasse.

Either they ruin your enjoyment or the 10-20 million viewers out there enjoyment.

Since Wrestling Fans(casuals) and Wrestling Fanatics(niche) are one two different sides of the spectrum.

If that's the case since they are a business and Wrestling needs that market, they have to go with casuals.

If you don't enjoy Mainstream wrestling focused on story/characters then Mainstream Professional wrestling isn't for you. what AEW was hyped as isn't for you, and you're better off sticking with the niche subsets such as NJPW or ROH.

TLDR: If you're saying you want AEW to not appeal to casuals and focus on story/character then simply admit that you don't want a mainstream alternative to WWE, because they're not going anywhere unless they appeal to casuals. they won't draw one extra cent by appealing to fanatics who watch anyways.

I will criticize AEW until it get it right,

if you want WWE to continue to have a monopoly on this business then continue to lie to yourselves and pretend everything they're doing is good.

If they fail, even slightly then it will be looked at worse than TNA wrestling because unlike TNA, this will have ended any interest in non-WWE wrestling by Mainstream North American wrestling, the DVR proof argument won't work, this will be the final straw to TV execs who since the 1980's haven't wanted to touch a wrestling company with a 10ft poll(look at how Turner execs treated WCW before 1996, or the excuse they used to get rid of WCW despite still making money in 2001, or SpikeTV not giving Dixie another chance because she played the negotiation games in 2014.
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Fookin ell that is a bit of a read isnít it

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That poster reads an awful lot like somebody else who isnít here any more. Rejoiner who doesnít like it it so itís wrong. Fuck that. I just want to enjoy the fucking show. If you donít enjoy it, donít fucking watch it. And donít come in here spouting off endless volumes about why itís gonna fail with the only underlying evidence being that you donít like Marko Stunt.
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I want a show I enjoy. As long as it is enteratining I will watch. I swear some wrestling fans are fucking weird. "I can't like it unless others like it"
No one said they can't like it unless others do.

If that was the case then wouldn't I like it since there are people who in fact like it.

I'm saying it's ok for you to enjoy it, however they shouldn't cater to you & 1.5 million over 10 million people.

Nor should you pretend you want WWE to have competition if you want it to appeal to your niche preference.

If you want an American NJPW/ROH/Niche, it's fine, but don't expect most fans to accept it.

Blame AEW for the bait and switch of saying they were going for lapsed fans then not.

Blame AEW for competing with WWE on mainstream TV then producing a niche product that will 100% fail at that.



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They entered a territory they shouldn't have when they approached TNT, hence why it's getting criticized, if they mess up then they mess up our chances of getting a mainstream competition to WWE, TV execs will never accept non-WWE wrestling.

If they wanted to be NJPW/ROH 2.0, if they wanted to appeal to a niche audience they already have, they should've said that from the get go and stayed off TNT to not lose to WWE on mainstream TV, to not hurt the non-WWE wrestling market.

WCW was rid of because of a mismanaged merger, then the WWF killed it when they were still getting at least 3 million viewers(2.0 in 2000 was 2,800,000 viewers)

RESULT: WWF becomes a monopoly and kills the 1996-2002 Wrestling Bubble the next year.

Blame: AOL-Time Warner for ridding assets for merger, Vince Mcmahon for bad booking.

TNA killed itself as a mainstream alternative when Russo left in 2012, then when SpikeTV cancelled them for money negotiations in 2014.

RESULT:Less acceptance of non-WWE wrestling. DVR proof however becomes selling point post 2014 due to cord cutting


AEW fails.

RESULT: Mainstream TV execs won't accept Non-WWE wrestling, DVR proof argument won't work, AEW will be pointed out as example.

AEW will hurt Non-WWE wrestling more than WCW and TNA.
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Why are your TLDR longer then rest of your posts?
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Why are your TLDR longer then rest of your posts?
It's Fucking way too long XD
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LOL this got derailed real quickly. Figures with the usual suspects.

New Road to TNT is tonight. Should be interesting to see what they highlight. The All Out event is done and we have less than a month left. Time to start establishing the DC show and what to expect from AEW on a primetime TV perspective.
Not to mention this is really the first Road to TNT because last weekís was just an All Out review show. Iím excited to see what they have, hopefully itís at least around 15-20 minutes.
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I want a show I enjoy. As long as it is enteratining I will watch. I swear some wrestling fans are fucking weird. "I can't like it unless others like it"
That is called 'Elitism.' Hey, now that's ironic.
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