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I saw this too. Does anyone knows if it's legit information ?

If it is, i find this really interesting...
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From what I read Punk said he would "listen to any offer" which is not exactly the same as "I'm All In!" but you know, headlines.

He also said Cody never made him a formal offer for ALL IN and kind of implied that if had he, Punk would have accepted.

He was very coy, so he could just be playing around, keeping his name in the press. He does have some show on Netflix to promote or something
Here's what he said, from NoDQ:

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CM Punk recently did an interview with MMAFighting.com and here are the highlights...

Reports about rumored All Elite Wrestling promotion starting up:

“I think at this point that whatever those guys decide to do will be great for them and their families. If I was asked what I would do or what I would say to them — because they could obviously go to WWE whenever they want — it’s just a matter of is this what’s best for your family? And I think we live in a time now where WWE is not the end-all, be-all. I don’t think it has been for quite some time. I think the stigma that it is is still there and probably will persist for many, many years. But enough people have been there and left that can, I guess, extoll the knowledge of, ‘Hey, you know what, the place ain’t all that.’

And I’m in a spot now where I’ve been gone what, five years? Maybe the place has changed. I’ve got people who text me and say otherwise, but there’s ways to make money and support your family outside of that. With also being able to satisfy the side of your brain that’s creative, the side of your brain that loves professional wrestling, the reason you bought a pair of boots in the first place. And I think those guys can definitely do that. I think they can command their price if they want there. But if they did go there, then they’d just be another guy — just like everybody else on that show. It’s amazing, the more time the show gets, the less time it really seems they develop new characters.

If you want to bring this thing back full circle, this is exactly what I’m talking about with CFFC. I’m talking about not just, oh here’s two fighters. Here’s two human beings and they have a family and friends and you can examine all those things without just sticking them out there and trying to sell something that the wrestlers in the ring, that the fighters aren’t trying to sell. If those guys all go and start their own thing, more power to them. Let me bring it full circle again, I’m not actively pursing really much of anything. I’m just kind of floating. And it’s a nice thing to be able to do and just kind of float and hang out and if somebody wants to pick up the phone like Dave Sholler did and call me up and say, ‘Hey, we really think you’d be good at this and we want you to be a part of your company,’ they can call me up and make an offer. That has remained to be seen. Pro wrestling is not on my radar.”

If he would listen to an offer to return to wrestling:

“I would always listen. I would listen to them, because just like Dave, I like the Young Bucks. I text with Matt on and off. But business is business. I know Cody was out there in the media saying that an offer was made [for the All In event Sept. 1]. An offer was not made. Calling me up or texting me saying, ‘Hey, if you want to come to the show and do something, we would love that’ is not an offer. That’s not an offer. There’s other things. There’s a couple more loose ends that I’m still trying to tie up to fully absolve me from the world of pro wrestling. I feel like I’ve still been attached to it since the day that I left it and that’s mostly because of fugazi lawyers and such. But we’re wrapping all that up and that’ll come to an end. And once I’m truly free, we can explore the world and just float and hang out. And I can walk my dog and drink coffee and do commentary for Dave Sholler and continue to train at Roufusport. And do all kinds of stuff. I’ve earned it, I’ve paid my dues.”
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In an interview with ProWrestlingSheet.com, Matt and Nick Jackson discussed the rumored All Elite Wrestling promotion:

“We have offers on the table from every major company in the world,” said Matt.

“We haven’t said no, really, to anything,” Nick added. “So we’re just keeping our options open and protecting ourselves at the same time.”

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From this week's WON

"ROH: At a meet and greet in Melbourne, Australia, Cody was asked about a new promotion and said to wait for January as an announcement will be made, and said the announcement would be bigger than anyone expects"
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From this week's WON

"ROH: At a meet and greet in Melbourne, Australia, Cody was asked about a new promotion and said to wait for January as an announcement will be made, and said the announcement would be bigger than anyone expects"
Could be a huge swerve with all of them showing up in WWE lol. Or maybe they’ve already secured a TV deal with a network (would probably be the biggest announcement they could make). Maybe they’ll do a second All In and then launch their first Tuesday Night Dynamite show on October 16th (same week SDL goes to Fox), and pull a Nitro by doing the first one live from the Mall Of America...

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Would you file for a trademark if there weren't any plans to launch a Tuesday show? Would you then tease an early January announcement only to provide nothing? I have a feeling that something more fixed is in the works. And given that Cody said that to Australians, I'd have to imagine that it is international. Otherwise you'd just say "we've got plans in the US, but hope to expand." My thought is that it would have to be streaming, if this is the case.

Starting at the top, would Netflix be interested in a wrestling program? They have GLOW and have done some cross-promotion with WWE. Maybe they are interested in either a weekly show or a limited series? Disney does have its OTT coming out late 2019, which will have all the classic Disney films, Pixar movies, Star Wars movies and Marvel movies, as well as original content. Some have called it a "Netflix killer," which sounds dramatic, but in the world where you want to streamline your streaming services, things are going to get "tighter." I eventually expect WWE Network to end up as part of a larger service (probably the Disney one), with Raw and SmackDown maybe eventually making the switch to it in a few years once television recedes even further.

It's a long shot, but if I were part of this AEW thing, I'd be going to Netflix about getting maybe 12 weeks limited run in order to get your foot into many different markets and then use that limited run as leverage in securing a cable deal with a TNT or TBS -- hopefully something with prestige. You can do the limited run and segue that into the weekly show, and then still run one or two big PPV-level events a year and maybe do another limited series run with Netflix if the first is successful. The Netflix deal is probably not where your money comes from (and this might be where the Khans need to step in in order to leverage something, and maybe even buy the space), but hopefully the cable deal can be more lucrative to the bottom-line.

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It's going to be an outrageously hard road to hoe to be a strong #2 today. This reminds me of something JJ Dillon said in an interview when he was asked how do you create a successful wrestling company, and he said with some cynicism:

"First thing I would say is I hope you have a lot of money, and when I say a lot of money I'm talking Ted Turner money, deep, deep pockets. Now if you had the money, it's a talent driven business. You need talent and when the territories went out there were guys that making a living in the business that you could cherry pick, main events guys from territories and you could put a nucleus of top guys together and then filled it out with guys underneath who then could get the rub, and if they had the potential, could eventually make stars out of them to give you that talent roster, because it is a talent-driven business It isn't that easy now."

"If you have money, and you have the talent-- but I'd stop right here and ask, where's your talent pool? Where are you going to get them from? .... then you got to get creative people to know what to do with them. Because you can't have meaningful issues which is what sells tickets, until you have characters who are meaningful. You need a creative mind to know what to do with it. Then you have to have exposure, you need television and you can't have television that's on 3 am and expect to run live events and make it profitable......"

".....now if you take on a cable network, you count the number of stations that you can choose from in the 100s. How are you going to have a new program let the world know that you're out there and that this is where to find you and to build a loyal following? I don't know where that is. It's certainly not wrestling magazines. Ads, major newspapers, I mean wrestling fans don't read ads-- I don't hate that word out there. So I could think of all the reasons why if you have money and say 'I love the wrestling business, I want to get in it', and I'd say give me a dollar, and now I'll send you a lot of money and tell you... don't get in the wrestling business. Put your money somewhere else, do something else. It's the greatest business in the world, but it's the most challenging business and I don't know that it's possible at this day & time for a new player to come in and be successful."

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Of course, he didn't mention the use of internet streams, but still in any case that would be like a whole lot of other promotions trying to do the same things with internet streams and internet based networks. That's not going to cut it. People are looking for in this case, specifically an alternative to something like RAW on the USA network. People are hoping for competition here, REAL competition. But that is going to be extremely hard to do. next to impossible, even. WWE are so huge now, they could literally just put a guppy in a fish bowl in the middle of the ring for 3 hrs and they still wouldn't notice any competition even if it was out there.
This is all true...to an extent.

You need a lot of money. The Khans have a lot of money. Now Tony Khan is only a millionaire. But Shahid Khan is worth three Vince McMahons. He's got his fingers in lots of different pies and just tried to buy Wembley Stadium for $800 million USD. You are probably aware of that, but that's enough to buy 80 WrestleMania stages. A WWE show cost about $800,000 overhead to put on every week. The Khans actually do have the money to create a completely sustainable pool for overhead without factoring in revenue, licencing, merchandise, TV rights, etc. Worst case scenario, the Khans could put on a show that nobody watches and keep it going as a vanity project for as long as they like. Now, they probably aren't interested in doing that, haha, but it's just possible.

The talent pool is out there, and even ones signed to freshly minted five-year WWE deals will no doubt be looking to use alternatives to leverage, at least, better WWE deals. Right now, you really only have a few places to work where money is going to be great. Adding one to that means that there is at least a bartering process. Having another place to go is great for talent, creatively.

It sounds like creative people are going to be involved in this. Jim Ross' name has been floated. Chris Jericho might only be talent, but he's got some ideas. There are plenty of great wrestling minds out there that are not employed by WWE. There are many that have burnt their bridges because they have sued the company, haha. Would a Raven, for example, working with this promotion be so out of the question? A DDP? A Jake Roberts...permitting he's in a good spot? A Scott Hall? If hell melts over, a Jim Cornette? Dutch Mantell? Lance Storm?

You absolutely don't want a dodgy cable network, but that game changed the moment Vince McMahon got offered $100 million per hour/per year he generates for TV. And that changes if you are only asking for $50 million per hour, or $25 million per hour. Weekly entertainment is becoming more vital for cable companies; not less. This TV rights thing is very new, and it provides a good chance for others to undercut Vince and do a similar thing for a lot less money. And this AEW thing might not be the only people looking to put this into practice. Obviously you're going to need promotion, but there's this idea that Vince has things locked down, which I think is archaic thinking, in the sense that I agree that was the perception, say, circa 2001. Now content provision has changed and Vince, in many ways, might have priced himself out of some people looking to expand's markets. Promotion and securing advertisers is a big thing, but the Khans likely come with ins to that (Tony owns a sports media promotion and analytics company), and getting yourself out there to that disenfranchised fan base is a good start.

It really does come down to having talent, having money and being accessible with the perception of being viable. They seem to be the first people in a long time to manage the viability thing before they get to the TV negotiation stage.
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Starting at the top, would Netflix be interested in a wrestling program? They have GLOW and have done some cross-promotion with WWE. Maybe they are interested in either a weekly show or a limited series? Disney does have its OTT coming out late 2019, which will have all the classic Disney films, Pixar movies, Star Wars movies and Marvel movies, as well as original content. Some have called it a "Netflix killer," which sounds dramatic, but in the world where you want to streamline your streaming services, things are going to get "tighter." I eventually expect WWE Network to end up as part of a larger service (probably the Disney one), with Raw and SmackDown maybe eventually making the switch to it in a few years once television recedes even further.
Lucha Underground was on Netflix for a while, though the license expired back in the beginning of November. Also, Twitch or Youtube might not be a terrible ideas either
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Lucha Underground was on Netflix for a while, though the license expired back in the beginning of November. Also, Twitch or Youtube might not be a terrible ideas either
That's true about Lucha Underground. I've heard clunky things about monetizing through YouTube, but maybe they can offer a legitimate money deal. I'm unfamiliar with Twitch, but have heard of it, which is a plus.

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This is what I'm wondering right now. If this thing actually gets off the ground and becomes as successful as it can, ROH is kind of getting the short end of the stick. They're the ones that have been around for 17 years and have given The Elite/BC the platform for BTE and All In. Hell, at times watching ROH this year was like watching an infomercial for those other shows.

So if this gets off the ground and talents like Cody, the Bucks, Hangman, Scurll, Daniels, Kaz, etc. leave or at least get reduced roles in the company, what do they really have left at that point. And with all these similar talents, ROH will look just like a B show in comparison.

Maybe I'm looking too much into it, but I don't see how this looks great for ROH if this gets off the ground.
It probably doesn't, but ROH has had a billion dollar company backing them for a while and they have never really taken the plunge too much further with them. They're happy with ROH being at a certain level, by all accounts. I mean, if it gets Sinclair to think "Wow, we better do something here" and provide competitive money and broadcasting to people that sign with them, it's possible that they really get back into the game, even if they are knocked off a peg for a while. If the culture has shifted enough to allow wrestling on easily accessible platforms to be financially viable, I doubt the Khans will be the only ones with the idea to light things up.

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Another new promotion, but the same question remains: how will they get a good TV deal on a popular network?
It depends if popular networks are looking for cheaper to produce content that they can air for more of the year than scripted dramas or comedies, and whether or not they believe that having a pro-wrestling show is going to be good for lead-ins and traffic to the network in general. Having viable business people behind it, recognizable stars, other business deals in place and things that otherwise position you to be financially viable certainly helps. That is where Jeff Jarrett fell down with GFW.

Young television network executives entering the landscape now were probably in college during the Attitude era boom. Or at least young enough to potentially have been caught up in wrestling, or aware of its potential cache. If you were 18 when Steve Austin first won the WWF Title, you are 38 now. People who are nostalgic for that period of their lives are starting to enter real power positions in the world. That can help.

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Elite Wrestling World has a ring to it.
Then your initials would be EWW. Not sure if you're joking or not. I thought they would go with something like "Elite Wrestling Federation" so that they could try and get people in with the "Fed" part of the name, for the very real people who think that WWE is still WWF, but there's a promotion with those initials.

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With ROH doing some big signings yesterday and keeping them exclusive they seem to be indicating that the elite won't be in roh come 2019.

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