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Holy Sh*t! Ziggler shoots on Randy! (No kayfabe) + Heat on Ziggler

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#1 · (Edited)
Ziggler in his recent interview let out his frustration in a non-kayfabe interview with Mike Jones of DC101 -

If you’ve been familiar with WWE for the last 10 years or so, you would understand without Triple H coming up front and coming out and saying - this is our hand picked guy, he’s the face, no matter what we’re behind him,” Ziggler said. “If you’ve been watching for the last 10 years or so, you’d already know that they made up their mind about him long time ago. No matter what he does, good or bad, they’re behind him and they’ll go out of their way to cut peoples legs from underneath them to make sure Randy comes out looking great.

So, the fact that it’s now out in the open, and I’m allowed to comment on it, it actually makes me sick."


Edit -
- Yesterday we posted some highlights from an interview where Dolph Ziggler talked about WWE always having Randy Orton's back not matter what. Ziggler mentioned on Twitter earlier today that he got some heat for the interview.
http://nodq.com/wwe/379908404.shtml

You people doubted me when I said it was a shoot -

 
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#71 ·
Re: Holy Sh*t! Ziggler shoots on Randy! (No kayfabe)

IT'S CLEARLY IN KAYFABE! :lmao

Some of you are being worked so hard and you're completely oblivious to it. This thread alone proves how alive kayfabe still is today. WWE wants you to think it's dead so they can get you invested with shit like this.

Some of you think Ziggler's not in on this whole thing and went behind Orton's and WWE's back with this? :lol

I mean don't get me wrong, it's good that the WWE can still work people but it's quite funny/embarrassing seeing people who like to consider themselves "smart" completely falling for stuff like this. It just makes me want to give some of you a pat on the head.
 
#74 ·
Re: Holy Sh*t! Ziggler shoots on Randy! (No kayfabe)

IT'S CLEARLY IN KAYFABE! :lmao

Some of you are being worked so hard and you're completely oblivious to it. This thread alone proves how alive kayfabe still is today. WWE wants you to think it's dead so they can get you invested with shit like this.

Some of you think Ziggler's not in on this whole thing and went behind Orton's and WWE's back with this? :lol

I mean don't get me wrong, it's good that the WWE can still work people but it's quite funny/embarrassing seeing people who like to consider themselves "smart" completely falling for stuff like this. It just makes me want to give some of you a pat on the head.
Even if it is kayfabe, all it does is make Ziggler look like an ungrateful ass. Orton spent the last two years in the midcard helping put guys like Ziggler over. It's not Orton's fault that Cena keeps knocking them back down the card. If you're gonna complain about a guy holding people back, at least complain about the guy who hasn't spent two years damaging his legacy to help others establish theirs.
 
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I'm amazed at how Mr.5 strike the complete douchebag bully is still their handpicked guy. Any other company in the world would have let him go years ago. Vince or HHH or someone must be personally in love with the guy. Like drooling over his body or something I dont get it.
Randy reminds them of Shawn....
 
#105 ·
Re: Holy Sh*t! Ziggler shoots on Randy! (No kayfabe)

This may be kayfabe but I have no doubts that Ziggler believes every word because he's come across as a whiny bitch numerous times before. Even though I respect his dedication to be a top guy, Ziggler simply doesn't have "it" which is why he keeps getting knocked down. Orton has it, which is why no matter how many times he messes up or gets knocked down, he gets back up and for very good reason.
 
#11 ·
Re: Holy Sh*t! Ziggler shoots on Randy! (No kayfabe)

It could possibly still be kayfabe.
This is VERY kayfabe if you actually have been paying attention.
With WWE distancing themselves so far from kayfabe lately it's kinda hard to tell.

Honestly even if this was kayfabe it's hard to disagree with it because it's really true, and you know Ziggler and others think this.
 
#18 ·
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"If you've been familiar with WWE for the last 10 years or so, you would understand without Triple H coming up front and coming out and saying this is our hand picked guy, he's the face, no matter what we're behind him," Ziggler said. "If you've been watching the last 10 years or so, you'd already know that they made up their mind about him long time ago. No matter what he does, good or bad, they're behind him and they'll go out of their way to cut peoples legs from underneath them to make sure Randy comes out looking great.

"So, the fact that it's now out in the open, and I'm allowed to comment on it, it actually makes me sick. I'm really happy from Randy, he's awesome, he's so good at this. It makes me mad how good he is. But the opportunities that he gets over and over again makes that chip on my shoulder feel that much bigger to me. I wanna go out there and prove that they're wrong, prove [to] Triple H that he backed the wrong guy for the last 10 years, and no matter what, I'm going to come out on top, one way or the other."

http://www.wrestlinginc.com/wi/news...tlinginc_wwe_news+(WrestlingInc.com+WWE+News)
 
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#30 ·
Wow the amount of people that fall for these "real" interviews never seizes to amaze me.

Considering the majority of the IWC think they are smarter than the average wrestling fan then it really is humorous to me to see such threads.

Is it still real to you??

I've never seen any evidence in the past to suggest that Dolph is anything but a company guy so to suggest he is shooting on Orton is crazy to me.


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#34 ·
Re: Holy Sh*t! Ziggler shoots on Randy! (No kayfabe)

Wow the amount of people that fall for these "real" interviews never seizes to amaze me.

Considering the majority of the IWC think they are smarter than the average wrestling fan then it really is humorous to me to see such threads.

Is it still real to you??
The thing is that it's extremely believable.

I just thought, if this is kayfabe which it likely is, the WWE management fully acknowledge that they give Orton these opportunities when he doesn't deserve them.
 
#32 ·
Re: Holy Sh*t! Ziggler shoots on Randy! (No kayfabe)

Some people are really gullible.

This is why I love to hate Triple H, because he's responsible for it all. Ever since he turned heel he's impressed me in ways no other heel ever has, not even Bully Ray is that good. I don't like him, kayfabe or real life (so he will never get me to cheer or support him in anyway) which is rare, he manages to be Entertaining without me actually liking him as a performer (a fine, but extremely thin line that 99,9% of heels simply can't walk) but I certainly respect him, it's hilarious how talented he is in creating the "It's still real to me" Vibe in 2013.

If you've followed the show and the most recent interviews (in, aswell as outside the show) you'll notice that Bryan has done the same promo this and last week on Orton (getting handed everything, beeing a pretty boy that got to the WWE by winning the genetic lottery, getting "favoured" (translation: pushed) over other guys). Now other wrestlers such as Ziggler can profit from it aswell by making "controversial" interviews that are presented as a shoot despite beeing purely kayfabe, blurring the lines of reality and storylines on TV perfectly and getting more effective publicity than any usual interview would.

It's very impressive that an Interview by Ziggler that is beeing directed creative gets responses like "Ziggler is trying to get fired" in this modern Era. Bravo.
 
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#59 ·
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Unlikely to but it's possible that it could appear on Monday's Raw. In other words how in the world isn't this kayfabe? He's shedding light on the main content of the top storyline, if anything I'd love to see more kayfabe interviews, it's shows that wrestlers take their job more serious than others.
 
#75 ·
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Whether this is kayfabe, worked shoot, shoot, whatever...it doesn't really matter. I just feel bad for Ziggler.

Think about the trajectory of the World Heavyweight Championship. In April, Dolph Ziggler gets the biggest pop of the year BY FAR when he wins the title from Del Rio. Four months later, we're suffering through two of the most flaccid world championship "feuds" (Del Rio against Christian, then Rob Van Dam) in professional wrestling history.

Kill the World Heavyweight Championship, push Ziggler, and demote Del Rio to Saturday Morning Slam.
 
#83 ·
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It's not the best PR move, but can anyone honestly disagree with what Ziggler is saying? It's the truth. Anyone who has made the mistakes that Orton made would have either been buried or future endeavored. He's always received preferential treatment in his career. Orton has received more pushes than anyone outside of Cena and even when it wasn't working, he was one of the few that WWE refused to drop for someone else who was more over. Ziggler isn't the first to bring this up either.
 
#116 ·
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You really have no idea how to discern kayfabe from a shoot? Did the fact that Dolph's words are directly following the storyline that corporate WWE are trying to keep Daniel Bryan down by promoting Randy? How in the fuck does this get lost from you?
 
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Re: Holy Sh*t! Ziggler shoots on Randy! (No kayfabe)

It's kind of bullshit how WWE treat their superstars and I wholeheartedly agree and feel for Ziggler and everyone in his position, which is like 95% of the roster.

Do you have a link to the whole thing OP?
 
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