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Before I begin I just want to clarify that I'm doing this thread with the hope that I can help open some eyes onto the mystery of a very complicated character, and hopefully provide an easier understanding, and more enjoyment.

To begin, let me highlight the misconceptions on his character.

On the surface, Bray Wyatt and his Wyatt family seem to be not much more than Duck Dynasty castoffs, Backwoods hicks, or Wyatt as a Max Cady (Cape Fear) or Waylon Mercy ripoff...

However, Underneath the surface, just like what Bray would tell you, "There's something else inside..." of him.

I believe his character is that of a cult leader possessed by a demon.The promos I attached below explain it perfectly. In the second one he even says something like,

"I guess there's no sense in waiting any longer....Samael, he's all yours (talking about his vessel)..Hey you wanna see something really scary.."



Now, Samael, when I first heard that mention I didn't really think much of it, until that is, I researched it a bit! Here's what I found:



After reading that I'm certain that my gatherings are correct and the Bray Wyatt character is actually possessed by The Prince of All Demons, The Archangel Samael.

I think his catchphases "Follow the buzzards" and "Eater of Worlds" make sense as well, since Samael, in Christian and Jewish lore, was bent on the destruction of all humans, and buzzards usually flock to death, and I believe Bray Wyatt is a new walking corpse, only his is possessed by a Demon.



In conclusion, I believe, if handled right this could be a more realistic take on the new Undertaker type character WWE sorely needs. Exorcisms and possession are finally becoming more present in our society with the Vatican performing exorcisms lately, and the media eating it all up. I think a walking dead man (Taker) is a pretty tough sell but the gimmick still made him a legend, and I think Wyatt's will do the same for him, and is actually much more believable than it would seem, in our new more realistic era.

Thoughts?

EDIT: Here`s some more coal to throw on the fire ;)

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#2,742 ·
Watching Bray Wyatt is cringe worthy.

Seriously. I was watching his segment on Smackdown with a bunch of non wrestling fans and it was cringey as hell. And I wasn't the only one that noticed it either. His promos are ridiculous... how people say this guy is a good mic worker is beyond me. Spouting random psychological shit does not make you a good mic worker.... Half of his lines don't make any goddamn sense.

The one in particular was the line about walking on water because he can. This made no sense whatsoever and he just seems to ramble on and do that stupid fake laugh. Anyway,moving on... this guy is probably one of the most forced characters we've ever seen. Nodody will agree with me YET cause he's hot right now... but in due time, you'll see.

This a "vignette" gimmick.
 
#2,847 ·
Re: Watching Bray Wyatt is cringe worthy.

Seriously. I was watching his segment on Smackdown with a bunch of non wrestling fans and it was cringey as hell. And I wasn't the only one that noticed it either. His promos are ridiculous... how people say this guy is a good mic worker is beyond me. Spouting random psychological shit does not make you a good mic worker.... Half of his lines don't make any goddamn sense.

The one in particular was the line about walking on water because he can. This made no sense whatsoever and he just seems to ramble on and do that stupid fake laugh. Anyway,moving on... this guy is probably one of the most forced characters we've ever seen. Nodody will agree with me YET cause he's hot right now... but in due time, you'll see.

This a "vignette" gimmick.
Didn't we already confirm you are a hypocrite and a troll. Move along.
 
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#2,766 ·
Re: Watching Bray Wyatt is cringe worthy.

Let me spell it out nice and slow. Bray Wyatt is a CULT LEADER. He claims that people are too attached to their nice, happy, insignificant lives, which are, in fact, lies. He promises to show people the truth about life if they join him and follow his ways of thinking. Are these things a reality, or is he just an egomaniac trying to lure weak minded people to his cause to push an agenda? The latter. That's what cults do. They pick out people, manipulate and lure them into thinking the way the cult leader does, and then basically control them. That's what cults are about. Control. Why does he say he can walk on water? He's calling himself these people's savior and comparing himself to Jesus. Its not 'psychological babble.' I will go through a Wyatt promo and explain to you word by word what he means.

It was R-Truth who suffered a beating at the hands of The Wyatt Family Monday night on Raw, but it was clear Bray Wyatt’s attention was devoted to another Superstar: Kane.

The giveaway came after Wyatt viciously downed Truth and instructed Kane to “follow the buzzards” — a recurring command uttered by the menacing newcomer. (Wyatt indeed repeated the message two nights later on WWE Main Event.)

Yet, a closer examination of Wyatt’s words Monday night — even before he called out The Big Red Machine by name — suggests the entire sermon may have been directed at the Superstar who Wyatt Family members Erick Rowan and Luke Harper brutally attacked one week earlier. Since he and his two disciples began appearing in vignettes last month, Wyatt has spellbound and confounded the WWE Universe in equal measure with his inscrutable rants.

A line-by-line breakdown of his speech on Raw may help decode the riddle and give clues as to what Wyatt is trying to accomplish in targeting The Devil’s Favorite Demon.

Take a look and decide for yourself:

“They've been lying to you, man. There ain’t no such thing as a hero, not anymore. But you … have become addicted to the illusion of what a hero is. … You think you need someone to pat you on the back.”

By dismissing heroism off the bat, could Wyatt have been zeroing in on Kane’s apparent interest in maintaining a fan-friendly image of late? The “pat on the back,” meanwhile, could refer to Kane seeking approval from either his peers (e.g., Bryan) or the WWE Universe more broadly.

“What if I was to tell you that the man who made you is a liar?”

This line might be a callous — albeit not wholly inaccurate — allusion to Kane’s father, the late Paul Bearer. The legendary manager, who passed away March 5, is a beloved figure in WWE lore. Still, there’s no denying Bearer played his share of head games while in WWE, even waging some of those psychological battles against his very own son. A more ominous interpretation suggests Wyatt was simply undermining all that Bearer taught Kane.

“What if I was to tell you that your own flesh and blood turned his back on you?”

Any reference to Kane’s “flesh and blood” immediately brings to mind one name: The Undertaker. The Phenom and his half-brother have fought each other in some of the most hellish battles ever witnessed in WWE, but last we saw of The Undertaker, he was firmly on Kane’s side. Then again, following an ambush by The Hounds of Justice in April, The Undertaker has gone MIA. Perhaps Wyatt is wise to something that remains hidden from the rest of us.

“I will never turn my back on you, and maybe, maybe the answers you seek have been slapping you right in the face.Maybe, just maybe, I — Bray Wyatt, the eater of worlds — have been the answer all along.”

Considering what transpired between Kane and The Wyatt Family on the July 8 edition of Raw, this comment — coupled with Wyatt’s admission that R-Truth was “not the truth we seek” — only fuels speculation that Wyatt was speaking to The Big Red Machine all along. By telling Kane to “follow the buzzards,” was the lantern-carrying enigma offering Kane salvation, or a future of decay?

One thing seems for certain: There’s way more to Bray Wyatt than meets the eye.
All that stuff about "they've been lying to you?" He's trying to shatter Kane's perceptions and shake his faith. That makes him easier to manipulate and control.

The line about "the man who made you is a liar." Translates to "everything you've been told up until this point isn't true." Is the man Paul Bearer or God? No idea, but it doesn't really matter.

The stuff about his flesh and blood turning his back on him? He's saying Undertaker has betrayed him and won't be there to help Kane if he needs it. Effectively, he's saying Undertaker abandoned Kane.

Lastly, where he says he won't turn his back on Kane. He's saying that while everyone else in Kane's life has betrayed or lied to him, Bray Wyatt wouldn't. He's destroying Kane's beliefs in everything he held dear and trying to replace those things with himself.

In short, here's the summed up version:

"Kane, everyone has been lying to you. Paul Bearer, Undertaker, God...they've all deceived you for your entire life. In fact, Undertaker has betrayed you and isn't around anymore. You have no one in your family to watch out for you. But I will. I will treat you well. I'll be there for you and support you forever."

You find what people believe in, destroy it, play upon their beliefs and manipulate them into thinking the way you do, and thus, you can control them. That is the entire purpose of the Bray Wyatt character. He is a charismatic, charming lunatic who gets his jollies off of controlling people. They didn't spell it out clearer than this in the same fashion I did for 2 reasons. 1) They were trying to be creative and 2) They assumed their audience wasn't full of inbred morons who would start scratching their heads when something above a 1st grade reading comprehension level came on television.

It all makes sense and people, like me, get it. Some of you guys don't. That doesn't make Bray cringe worthy, that makes YOU stupid.
 
#2,807 ·
Re: Watching Bray Wyatt is cringe worthy.

Let me spell it out nice and slow. Bray Wyatt is a CULT LEADER. He claims that people are too attached to their nice, happy, insignificant lives, which are, in fact, lies. He promises to show people the truth about life if they join him and follow his ways of thinking. Are these things a reality, or is he just an egomaniac trying to lure weak minded people to his cause to push an agenda? The latter. That's what cults do. They pick out people, manipulate and lure them into thinking the way the cult leader does, and then basically control them. That's what cults are about. Control. Why does he say he can walk on water? He's calling himself these people's savior and comparing himself to Jesus. Its not 'psychological babble.' I will go through a Wyatt promo and explain to you word by word what he means.



All that stuff about "they've been lying to you?" He's trying to shatter Kane's perceptions and shake his faith. That makes him easier to manipulate and control.

The line about "the man who made you is a liar." Translates to "everything you've been told up until this point isn't true." Is the man Paul Bearer or God? No idea, but it doesn't really matter.

The stuff about his flesh and blood turning his back on him? He's saying Undertaker has betrayed him and won't be there to help Kane if he needs it. Effectively, he's saying Undertaker abandoned Kane.

Lastly, where he says he won't turn his back on Kane. He's saying that while everyone else in Kane's life has betrayed or lied to him, Bray Wyatt wouldn't. He's destroying Kane's beliefs in everything he held dear and trying to replace those things with himself.

In short, here's the summed up version:

"Kane, everyone has been lying to you. Paul Bearer, Undertaker, God...they've all deceived you for your entire life. In fact, Undertaker has betrayed you and isn't around anymore. You have no one in your family to watch out for you. But I will. I will treat you well. I'll be there for you and support you forever."

You find what people believe in, destroy it, play upon their beliefs and manipulate them into thinking the way you do, and thus, you can control them. That is the entire purpose of the Bray Wyatt character. He is a charismatic, charming lunatic who gets his jollies off of controlling people. They didn't spell it out clearer than this in the same fashion I did for 2 reasons. 1) They were trying to be creative and 2) They assumed their audience wasn't full of inbred morons who would start scratching their heads when something above a 1st grade reading comprehension level came on television.

It all makes sense and people, like me, get it. Some of you guys don't. That doesn't make Bray cringe worthy, that makes YOU stupid.
Thank you KO.
 
#341 ·
Re: Bray Wyatt: The eater of worlds is coming

I think we need to see people with lamb masks sitting in the front row for a few weeks before his debut.
Have the faces occasionally look at them during entrances and matches, play it up as Wyatt trying to psyche everyone out before he even arrives.
 
#284 ·
Re: Bray Wyatt: The eater of worlds is coming

Wyatt:
Hey you wanna see something really scary?
We live in a world where society has poisoned the souls of men.
It hovers over us like a dark cloud and they can't do anything about it because they're just everyday working class people like me.
They get down on their hands and knees and they whisper these lies and secrets in their ears but I have a secret of my own.
What are you going to do when they decide its time?
Family:
We are the ones
Wyatt:
When they decide its time to walk upright
Family:
The ones you've been told about, because we are walking upright
Wyatt:
What are you gonna do? I know what you're gonna do.... Run.
Family:
Tell them we're coming
Wyatt:
Run
Family:
Send us someone, just don't send anyone you want back
Wyatt:
This is the new face of fear
Anywhere that mary went...... the lamb was sure to go
....We're coming.


A rough transcript I made of the promo if anyone is interested.
 
#285 ·
Re: Bray Wyatt: The eater of worlds is coming

Wyatt:
Hey you wanna see something really scary?
We live in a world where society has poisoned the souls of men.
It hovers over us like a dark cloud and they can't do anything about it because they're just everyday working class people like me.
They get down on their hands and knees and they whisper these lies and secrets in their ears but I have a secret of my own.
What are you going to do when they decide its time?
Family:
We are the ones
Wyatt:
When they decide its time to walk upright
Family:
The ones you've been told about, because we are walking upright
Wyatt:
What are you gonna do? I know what you're gonna do.... Run.
Family:
Tell them we're coming
Wyatt:
Run
Family:
Send us someone, just don't send anyone you want back
Wyatt:
This is the new face of fear
Anywhere that mary went...... the lamb was sure to go
....We're coming.


A rough transcript I made of the promo if anyone is interested.
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#1,361 ·
Repped.. Might deliver to 15 undeserving people just so I can rep that ideaagain :D:
 
#2,411 ·
Bray Wyatt's "craziness" is too forced.

I noticed this in his promos. It seems like all he speaks is gibberish and people mistake that for good mic skills.

The IWC always had a random facisination with these type of characters. Jake Roberts, Sean O' Haire, Waylon Mercy and now Bray Wyatt. I'm more interested in Brodie Lee personally, He plays his part well. But as for Wyatt's gimmick... it just think its too forced. The sheep mask is just laughable and Wyatt's mannerisms look like hes trying too hard. I guess I've just never been a fan of these "crazy psychological" characters. I feel that wrestling doesn't do them right.

Red rep away...
 
#2,441 ·
Re: Bray Wyatt's "craziness" is too forced.

I noticed this in his promos. It seems like all he speaks is gibberish and people mistake that for good mic skills.

The IWC always had a random facisination with these type of characters. Jake Roberts, Sean O' Haire, Waylon Mercy and now Bray Wyatt. I'm more interested in Brodie Lee personally, He plays his part well. But as for Wyatt's gimmick... it just think its too forced. The sheep mask is just laughable and Wyatt's mannerisms look like hes trying too hard. I guess I've just never been a fan of these "crazy psychological" characters. I feel that wrestling doesn't do them right.

Red rep away...
Excuse me but how did Jake Roberts speak gibberish? He used some big words but that's it. Warrior's promos are gibberish.
 
#2,513 ·
Re: Hardcore IWC members: What is it about Bray Wyatt that is so impressive???

First of all, very few people here are saying "What he's done on Raw is AMAZING". If people are rating his ability, it's because of what he's done on NXT, they've seen him work, operate and be natural and you can't say that doesn't count. It's like getting fired on your second day of work. Yeah you haven't done shit THERE but you have a CV with 30 years of work saying you can do this shit. You have to give them a chance to work.

Bray does what very few people in Wrestling do, and that's wrestle AS his character. Most guys cut a promo with an accent or a hatred and then get in the ring and go back to carbon copy guy #5. They get into a fucking blood feud and then start a match with a lock-up, they stop showing their actual personality as soon as the ring bell goes and that's a huge flaw. Bray is his character 24/7 and that's a valuable assett.


Maybe it's me but Bray Wyatt does not seem so hot. His gimmick is so recycled. It's just a PG mix up of attitude era Kane, Paul Bearer, Undertaker, and Mandkind.
No, it's really not. The closest thing it's compared to actually is CM Punk when he did the Straight Edge Society.

You've compared him to those other guys but Bray doesn't have supernatural powers, isn't dead, can't throw lightening or fire, isn't a monster. He's a cult leader. He lives in a swamp, dresses in a down-played way, has his own view on society and how it should be formed. The "Family" aren't his actual brothers, they're guys indoctrinated by what he's said and bought into him as their Saviour.

Most of all though, you need to give the kid a chance. In the history of Pro Wrestling, there has been less than a handful of guys who have proven themselves AMAZING in their first month of main roster work. People aren't saying "look at him now", they're saying "after looking at his old stuff, just wait and see what this guy is capable of".
 
#3,572 ·
I hope this is nothing, but Bray Wyatt victims are all....

Ex boyfriends of AJ.....

Ziggler
Kane
Punk
Daniel Bryan
and now John Cena.

Please please please I hope they are not doing some angle where Wyatt came to the WWE to save his sister Abigail (AJ) he has been calling dead since she was led astray. No way they think that far ahead nowadays, I know, but if this happens I might shoot my TV.
 
#3,579 · (Edited)
Re: I hope this is nothing, but Bray Wyatt victims are all....

Ex boyfriends of AJ.....

Ziggler
Kane
Punk
Daniel Bryan
and now John Cena.

Please please please I hope they are not doing some angle where Wyatt came to the WWE to save his sister Abigail (AJ) he has been calling dead since she was led astray. No way they think that far ahead nowadays, I know, but if this happens I might shoot my TV.
There is a big hole in this straw-man strategy, you forgot a bf of AJ.....Tamina....just kidding. Anyways, back to AJ, if it is somehow in reference to her then that weakens Bray Wyatt by making him look like her lil' b!tch. :AJ
 
#142 ·
Re: Bray Wyatt: The eater of worlds is coming

This promo was amazing, like some others I never tune into Nxt so didn't know much about this character but because of the promo I've done a lot of watching on YouTube...now I'm just as excited as any of you!

Please debut soon and save us!
 
#233 ·
Re: Bray Wyatt: The eater of worlds is coming

Have many of you watched the vignette atleast a dozen times like me lol. The music and just everything made it so perfect.

What's the whole thing about walking Upright.
Bray is talking about it in the first 35 seconds - basically he finds the broken working class stiff poisoned by society, defeated to the point of (figuratively) crawling around on their hands and knees being tricked by lies that if they just work hard enough they too can live the dream, marginalized and overlooked like worker ants or beasts of burden by the ownership class; by the shiny happy people to who these working class folks are basically invisible or part of the scenery.
 
#411 ·
Re: Bray Wyatt: The eater of worlds is coming

Just like everyone else there are a TON of high hopes for the future of these talents coming up to main show.

However it HAS to be stressed, we've had excitement like this before....Nexus...Summer of Punk....Lesner's return ect and well ALL know what happened to these exciting moments don't we?With the exception of the SHIELD, we've watched the above mention moments, groups & wrestler's fall by the wayside thanks to WWE "UN"-creative.


That not with standing with all the backstage praise this group is getting, there's a good chance the Wyatt family won't go the way of Nexus. But I want to also STRESS unlike the Shield I believe this group NEEDS to be SLOWLY built.


The Shield has that "mercenary" feel to the group, they NEEDED to make a BIG IMPACT since they were "paid" to back at the Survivor Series. Since then this group looking to bring "justice" to the WWE has never let it's foot off the peddle and it works.

BUT

When I look at a guy like Wyatt, I see a guy always three steps ahead of whoever he's against, the slow,methodical and intense pacing of his charterer suggests the man's playing a game. A game in which he controls the speed of how fast he want to play it. So unlike the Shield, Wyatt should make "less" of an imminent impact, instead Wyatt should debut on RAW with a message to the WWE Universe how there world will chnage in the coming weeks and months ect but always ending with " Time is on My Side" line he's been doing for a while. Also the promo should be done with Wyatt sitting in the middle of the ring in his rocking chair to continue to stress the slowness of the charterer, he's in no rush.

Then you take him off RAW completely, I would have him DOMINATE WWE Main Event instead. Start with Wyatt going through low-mid card wrestler in ring. In fact it's on Main Event that the E was looking to give M 18-34 a strong showing when they debuted on ION. To me Wyatt is a throwback to that demographic so make Main Event revolve around Wyatt not only with matches but segments giving more of a background about his family.

Also have Wyatt on SD but backstage getting to "know" the talent, tease up coming match up's and things of that nature and once in awhile have Wyatt sit in the crowd on RAW, rocking chair and all as he watches. In fact I give him a glass a lemonade as well to show Wyatt is on HIS time not the WWE's.

Now have this continue for a few weeks probably up till mid July and then begin his true STORY which I have an idea for and will debut on BTB in a few days.

So with that shameless plug out of the way, again I wish Wyatt luck on his debut not with the debut itself but with WWE "UN"-creative.
 
#565 ·
Re: Bray Wyatt: The eater of worlds is coming

LOL at all you idiots not getting the gimmick and saying he'll flop. Watch cape fear. Read a good southern Gothic novel or psychological thriller for God's sake

Fucking dense-ass people. Get some depth to your character evaluation!
 
#568 ·
Re: Bray Wyatt: The eater of worlds is coming

LOL at all you idiots not getting the gimmick and saying he'll flop. Watch cape fear. Read a good southern Gothic novel or psychological thriller for God's sake

Fucking dense-ass people. Get some depth to your character evaluation!
He won't "flop", but Vince won't push him and will set him up to fail because he doesn't understand talent.

Im gonna mark out when these three are turned into dancing jobbers
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#1,001 · (Edited)
I've been thinking a lot about what they can possibly do when they debut. Everybody big is in programs, and if they face some jobber 3 man team, it's gonna fall really flat. There HAS to be a big thing next week, otherwise why would they get hyped up so much to the point that their vignette ends a Raw with the announcers putting them as the hook to tune in next week? It doesn't add up.

As I said, everybody big is in programs...except the McMahon's, who are squabbling amongst themselves. There's only one conclusion I can come up with. The Wyatt's are gonna beat down Triple H and abduct Stephanie during Vickie Guerrero's job evaluation. It's exactly what a group as deranged and motivated by a cult leader would do, and job evaluations NEVER go off well in WWE. Where it leads from there I don't know. Am I completely nuts here or does this have any real possibility?
 
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