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Ziggles and unification

Most think the fued between Ziggler and Y2J writes itself but what if they used it so at the end of the match u get a passing of the torch, a handshake, a well timed face turn (would be the first well timed turn WWE has done in a LONG FUCKING TIME). Ziggler rises as a face wins the WHC on smackdown at a b PPV then lead up for a cash in to unify the world belts winning and making him the Y2J or the next era? Ziggler even laid it out in a promo he did leading into the rumble and after the total bury job all have done on the WHC i cant see what good its doing like it currently is. Barrett and Cody have lifted the IC title so it can help carry they smackdown show with usual main eventers still crossing over like they have for the last year or 2. Just looks set up for Ziggler to do a "I want to do it alone" at mania and get the clean win surely the whole reason for y2J to come back for 3 months is to put someone over. Thats why ALL of the part time players should be there, to pick up the next stars and put them into those spots. Hated Ziggler but recently has really enjoyed all he has done hope they give him something huge to try and push him over that hump that so few have gotten over.

i could be wrong but it would be the first time.
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I would never understand why some of you people have so much hopes about Ziggler gonna get mega pushed.

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As they shouldn't, he hasn't earned it. He took a dump on the face of the best talent on the roster and said "fuck you, I don't have to do SHIT but show up and pin you after you carry the entire program". Disrespect begets disrespect. Undertaker is a selfish, arrogant, broken down old has been who can't give it up, who doesn't give one shit about the next generation of stars and helping the company that made him thrive. It's always all about him.
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I would never understand why some of you people have so much hopes about Ziggler gonna get mega pushed.
It's nice to have hope, and if anything I think Dolph Ziggler is the most deserving WWE roster member that hasn't been given a chance already.

I would like to see Ziggler unifying the titles.

It could have began last night with Ziggler/Jericho leading to a Jericho convincing Dolph to drop AJ which he does, leading to a Jericho/Dolph VS Team Hell No tag title match at EC where Big E costs Ziggler the match, He could then feud with Big E for a few months. Sacrifice a big WM match to further develop his face character and have a blow off match between the two there. Meanwhile, Punk retains the title from The Rock and runs with it until about MITB where Ziggler wins a second MITB. Defeats somebody like Show for the SD title, and then challenges Punk.

Not great, but to me it's more interesting than Rock/Cena for the world title, or any of the connotations of Rock/Cena/Punk that they can bring.

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Re: ziggles and unification

Deserving means shit on WWE look at Sheamus got the title from Cena in like what? his first ppv? >_>, Dolph is booked like a transitional champ at best, but well good to have hope yes, but be prepared for a total disappointment.

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As they shouldn't, he hasn't earned it. He took a dump on the face of the best talent on the roster and said "fuck you, I don't have to do SHIT but show up and pin you after you carry the entire program". Disrespect begets disrespect. Undertaker is a selfish, arrogant, broken down old has been who can't give it up, who doesn't give one shit about the next generation of stars and helping the company that made him thrive. It's always all about him.
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I would never understand why some of you people have so much hopes about Ziggler gonna get mega pushed.
Exactly how I feel. IMO there is a reason he always has other people with him to get heat. I feel the general public doesn't care enough about him. First he was with Vicky and Swagger, now AJ and Big E. I'll be a bigger believer in Ziggler when he can do it on his own.
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Exactly how I feel. IMO there is a reason he always has other people with him to get heat. I feel the general public doesn't care enough about him. First he was with Vicky and Swagger, now AJ and Big E. I'll be a bigger believer in Ziggler when he can do it on his own.
I agree with you, but there are cases in were people get pushed regardless of getting crowd reaction or not, and Ziggler isn't even one of those cases, he deserves a reign for being a workhorse? yes, but in this moment when ADR finally getting reactions I doubt Vince gonna let Ziggler have his time over his golden boy, I wouldn't be surprised ADR makes Ziggler tap when he cash on him.

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Exactly how I feel. IMO there is a reason he always has other people with him to get heat. I feel the general public doesn't care enough about him. First he was with Vicky and Swagger, now AJ and Big E. I'll be a bigger believer in Ziggler when he can do it on his own.
Well, until he's 1. not jobbed out regularly and 2. given a chance on his own, we'll never know if he can get real heat or not. He definitely has the talent to be great, but they never seem to go all the way with his pushes.


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Exactly how I feel. IMO there is a reason he always has other people with him to get heat. I feel the general public doesn't care enough about him. First he was with Vicky and Swagger, now AJ and Big E. I'll be a bigger believer in Ziggler when he can do it on his own.
Managers/entourages enhance wrestlers. If you suck, they help; if you're great, they help. Angle had Stephanie when he wasn't that great at talking, Lesnar has Heyman cuz he still sucks at talking, Punk has Heyman cuz he helps, Edge had Vickie and Lita cuz they helped, Undertaker had Paul Bearer, Rock and Austin each had VINCE at one point. It doesn't mean you're not a draw.

Ziggler needs a hot chick to come off as arrogant, so why not use AJ? He's not a big guy, so he needs a smaller girl, and they interact well, so there you go. Wrestling is about characters/storylines, and you can only have so many interesting storylines about one guy hating another guy. Allies and friends should always be a part of the story. Punk and Heyman are the biggest reason I watch wrestling today.

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Re: Ziggles and unification

Lol, it's never gonna happen.

Guaranteed, when he does win the belt, he's just gonna keep the title warm for ADR, Sheamus, and Ryback for a couple months. Wont be anything special.

Seriously, what makes you think Ziggler will get any monster push? He's just gonna be another generic chicken shit heel. Except lacking charisma and mic skill, of course.

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