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#1 ·
He is everything a wrestler should be. An ass kicker, a machine, the guy looks like a punisher. And those of you who say he can't wrestle make me laugh.

I am starting to think that the IWC think all jacked up guys can't wrestle and are just there for show. Thats not the case. Ryback could wrestle. Batista could wrestle. Brock Lesnar could wrestle. Goldberg could wrestle. Ultimate Warrior could wrestle. And I don't give a fuck what anyone says, wrestling is all theatre and these 5 guys gave a hell of a show when it all comes down to it. Not everyone can be a technical mastermind. Ryback has a role and he plays it perfectly.

I love Ryback.
 
#4 ·
I don't hate Ryback, in fact a lot of the times I'm entertained by him in matches.

I just don't want him to EVER speak. Last thing I need to see is his jacked up teeth as he attempts to give a promo even though he's too gassed out to form a complete sentence.

It's the equivalent to Orton's dramatic pauses except with Ryback it's heavy breathing.
 
#10 ·
It's absolutely true. It's no coincidence that Tyson Kidd was voted most underrated in the WO awards and Ryback was voted most Overrated. There's most definitely a stigma against big muscled dudes, and a misconception that Vince loves to push roided up no-talents for no reason. I see it every day.
 
#9 ·
Ryback is more or less a talented version of Goldberg.
He has a good moveset, isn't too bad in more evenly paced matches and - above all - has moved passed the 'winning streak' gimmick, a gimmick that is usually the Kiss of Death for the poor guy who eventually has to lose.
Ryback's got a great moveset, his mannerisms are appropriately threatening and in general I think he could - at any time - be put into the main even scene and be a credible threat.

This does not mean he should get the belt, you understand. But he's on a level that it feels right for him to be competing for it. I think he's got a very bright future indeed, and rightly so. Guy's worked his ass off.
 
#43 ·
Talented? Goldberg was a natural athlete and moved extremely fluidly in the ring. Ryback is kind of a klutz.

And Ryback doesn't even have 1/10th the charisma Goldberg had.

Basically, he's a Goldberg carbon copy but everything isn't as good. That's probably why he gets so much hate.

Me...don't really care one way or another. Nice to see another face in the main event at least.
 
#11 · (Edited)
Because he is untalented and has gotten the biggest undeserved push I can remember in wrestling.

He got a push because

1. Vince wanted one of his bodybuilder style guys at the top again.
2. CM Punk and Cena injury.
3. Feed Me More Chant

He has a small move set of pretty borring moves, not a good wrestler at all.
Out of breath in a 2 min match
Majority of his matches have been against jobbers who aren't even on the roster.
Terrible mic skills and he doesn't develop week after week its just the same references to food and feed me more.
Stupid facial expressions, stupid arm rotation.

He didn't deserve to have his main first push against CM Punk the WWE champion because CM Punk rise to the top is the way you should do it, Rybacks was undeserved.

Please dont compare someone as untalented as Ryback to Lesnar/Goldberg/Batista and even Warrior.

He is lucky he is so big.
 
#16 ·
Because he is untalented and has gotten the biggest undeserved push I can remember in wrestling.
That is ludicrous, he was in the midcard for months and managed to get himself over, he was then placed into the main-event as a filler and managed to get even more over and become the hottest face in the company. He didn't get a particularly big push, WWE just booked someone the right way for once and he became massively popular with what he was given.
 
#12 ·
Different people like different things. I'm personally a fan of Ryback and enjoy seeing him destroy guys, and have also enjoyed seeing him work longer main event matches.

I don't mind people not liking Ryback. As mentioned, different people like different things. But what does annoy me is people shitting on the guy just because they themselves don't get the appeal of him. I just find it baffling that some people will refuse to give guys credit where it is clearly due based solely on they're own preconceptions.
 
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#71 ·
The three quoted posts below are required reading for everyone here... you could all learn something if you absorb any of this.

Also, in this week's Main Event episode, it showed a little more to Ryback's persona. The pre-match interview with Matt Striker was entertaining in my eyes, his match against Cesaro was really solid, and he busted out some moves we haven't seen from him yet. I think people just need to give him more time to develop the character, since he pretty much did the same thing for the first five months he was on television.



He was put into the main event as a filler while Cena was injured and got over, nobody was buried or made to look weak and WWE now potentially have a new top star. You can't really argue with that. I hate this idea of jumping through hoops, a guy like Ryback couldn't spend years jobbing, it would ruin his credibility. Maybe that's one of the reasons the company hasn't been able to create new stars for so long. Besides, it's not as though Ryback is new to wrestling, he has been going for close to 10 years, he spent time on NXT and as part of Nexus, in fact he was introduced to WWE at the same time as Daniel Bryan and Bryan was in the main event well before Ryback.
I also have a theory that the IWC have things that they are precondition to hate. One being big muscle guys that can't go in the ring. Another being guys that seem to have the backing of the company and get the 'undeserved push'. And lastly faces that are seemingly 'unbeatable'.

The funny thing is that Ryback at first glance it might seem Ryback is all three of these things. But the reality is he is none of them. He is a big muscly guy, yes, but he can go in the ring. When he's been put in the main event matches, he's delivered. He has been in the ring with good guys on all four occasions (Cell, 3 way at Survivor Series, and both TLCs). But he got the job done, and I'm not generally a star ratings guy, but to me the average for all 4 of those matches is roughly 3 and a half stars. You can't really argue with that record.

As for being a company guy and getting the monster push. Well he's been around the developmental and on WWE's radar since 2004, so he's nearly a decade in the making. WWE didn't just pull this guy out of a gym, liked his look and then straped a rocket to his ass, but have ensured that he honed his craft and made sure he was ready before giving him the big TV exposure. As for the push, well for months and months, all he was doing was squashing local guys. As far as I'm concerned, that's not much of a push. If people can remember, at roughly the same time, there was also Brodus who had a huge undefeated streak too, and he was actually going over guys like Miz and Ziggler too, so from that perspective, he was getting a bigger push than Ryback at the time. But the difference is Ryback was getting himself over while Brodus was not (it's worth noting that gimmick may also have played apart, but nevertheless).

So I would hardly say that Ryback got a super push right out of the blocks. Rather that he was booked well, and as a result, he got over. So then he build up some momentum, and beat more important guys (Miz, Ziggler, etc.) and the big push actually came when he was put into the program with Punk. But I don't see how it can be classed as undeserved when he build up the momentum for it, he was over, and the push actually worked. Surely such facts contradict the idea of a push being 'undeserved'. The only other argument to a push being undeserved is the cliche 'paying of dues' which I actually think it's an asinine point anyway, but nevertheless, the guy had been wrestling for over a decade, so I think by anyone's standards, that's 'dues' paid.

So he's gotten his push, he's in the main event of a PPV, and he gets beat. It was a screwjob finish but he's still beaten and the streak ends. But he's still over, and there's a rematch. Beaten again, screwy finish, he's still over. Rinse and repeat, etc. So the guy has lost ALL four of his big main event matches. So much for the 'big' push. But the guy is still very much over. I'm not saying he should have won any of those matches, but simply stating that his 'big' push really isn't that big of a push.

As for being a predictable, 'superman' babyface character. He is that. He does win the vast majority of his matches. But that's exactly how he should be booked for maximum effect. Based on the way he looks, and his hard hitting style, he's pretty much the perfect unstoppable monster. So if he loses random matches for the sake of unpredictability, or he loses clean, then he loses the aura of invincibility he has. And that aura of invincibility plays into what pro wrestling is all about. 'The immovable object vs the unstoppable force' and all that. That's what the HIAC PPV did such a good buyrate. It was the heel champion vs an unstoppable monster in a cell. Something had to give. It's also the reason why The Shield are so over. Seeing the indomitable Ryback manhandled and thrown threw a table. If The Shield did that to R-Truth, then it wouldn't have been as striking as when they did it to Ryback.

tl;dr A bunch of geeks hate on based on preconceived notions about him and also don't think the first thing about what most folks like in pro wrestling.
 
#17 ·
I don't hate Ryback but I do feel he is a ripoff of Goldberg with a little of Brock thrown in. I would like to see the guy be less stiff in the ring and do less of the stomping around. That just irritates me and frankle looks a bit stupid. If Ryback is going to be around for the long haul I would like to see he guy personalise it more and make it his own rather than just copy someone else. I do give the man playing Ryback credit for making the most of the opportunity so far, who knows the Rock and Stone Cold had crappy gimmicks when they started in the WWE, maybe he can make something out of it.
 
#22 · (Edited)
I also have a theory that the IWC have things that they are precondition to hate. One being big muscle guys that can't go in the ring. Another being guys that seem to have the backing of the company and get the 'undeserved push'. And lastly faces that are seemingly 'unbeatable'.

The funny thing is that Ryback at first glance it might seem Ryback is all three of these things. But the reality is he is none of them. He is a big muscly guy, yes, but he can go in the ring. When he's been put in the main event matches, he's delivered. He has been in the ring with good guys on all four occasions (Cell, 3 way at Survivor Series, and both TLCs). But he got the job done, and I'm not generally a star ratings guy, but to me the average for all 4 of those matches is roughly 3 and a half stars. You can't really argue with that record.

As for being a company guy and getting the monster push. Well he's been around the developmental and on WWE's radar since 2004, so he's nearly a decade in the making. WWE didn't just pull this guy out of a gym, liked his look and then straped a rocket to his ass, but have ensured that he honed his craft and made sure he was ready before giving him the big TV exposure. As for the push, well for months and months, all he was doing was squashing local guys. As far as I'm concerned, that's not much of a push. If people can remember, at roughly the same time, there was also Brodus who had a huge undefeated streak too, and he was actually going over guys like Miz and Ziggler too, so from that perspective, he was getting a bigger push than Ryback at the time. But the difference is Ryback was getting himself over while Brodus was not (it's worth noting that gimmick may also have played apart, but nevertheless).

So I would hardly say that Ryback got a super push right out of the blocks. Rather that he was booked well, and as a result, he got over. So then he build up some momentum, and beat more important guys (Miz, Ziggler, etc.) and the big push actually came when he was put into the program with Punk. But I don't see how it can be classed as undeserved when he build up the momentum for it, he was over, and the push actually worked. Surely such facts contradict the idea of a push being 'undeserved'. The only other argument to a push being undeserved is the cliche 'paying of dues' which I actually think it's an asinine point anyway, but nevertheless, the guy had been wrestling for over a decade, so I think by anyone's standards, that's 'dues' paid.

So he's gotten his push, he's in the main event of a PPV, and he gets beat. It was a screwjob finish but he's still beaten and the streak ends. But he's still over, and there's a rematch. Beaten again, screwy finish, he's still over. Rinse and repeat, etc. So the guy has lost ALL four of his big main event matches. So much for the 'big' push. But the guy is still very much over. I'm not saying he should have won any of those matches, but simply stating that his 'big' push really isn't that big of a push.

As for being a predictable, 'superman' babyface character. He is that. He does win the vast majority of his matches. But that's exactly how he should be booked for maximum effect. Based on the way he looks, and his hard hitting style, he's pretty much the perfect unstoppable monster. So if he loses random matches for the sake of unpredictability, or he loses clean, then he loses the aura of invincibility he has. And that aura of invincibility plays into what pro wrestling is all about. 'The immovable object vs the unstoppable force' and all that. That's what the HIAC PPV did such a good buyrate. It was the heel champion vs an unstoppable monster in a cell. Something had to give. It's also the reason why The Shield are so over. Seeing the indomitable Ryback manhandled and thrown threw a table. If The Shield did that to R-Truth, then it wouldn't have been as striking as when they did it to Ryback.

tl;dr A bunch of geeks hate on based on preconceived notions about him and also don't think the first thing about what most folks like in pro wrestling.
 
#24 · (Edited)
I also have a theory that the IWC have things that they are precondition to hate. One being big muscle guys that can't go in the ring. Another being guys that seem to have the backing of the company and get the 'undeserved push'. And lastly faces that are seemingly 'unbeatable'.

The funny thing is that Ryback at first glance it might seem Ryback is all three of these things. But the reality is he is none of them. He is a big muscly guy, yes, but he can go in the ring. When he's been put in the main event matches, he's delivered. He has been in the ring with good guys on all four occasions (Cell, 3 way at Survivor Series, and both TLCs). But he got the job done, and I'm not generally a star ratings guy, but to me the average for all 4 of those matches is roughly 3 and a half stars. You can't really argue with that record.

As for being a company guy and getting the monster push. Well he's been around the developmental and on WWE's radar since 2004, so he's nearly a decade in the making. WWE didn't just pull this guy out of a gym, liked his look and then straped a rocket to his ass, but have ensured that he honed his craft and made sure he was ready before giving him the big TV exposure. As for the push, well for months and months, all he was doing was squashing local guys. As far as I'm concerned, that's not much of a push. If people can remember, at roughly the same time, there was also Brodus who had a huge undefeated streak too, and he was actually going over guys like Miz and Ziggler too, so from that perspective, he was getting a bigger push than Ryback at the time. But the difference is Ryback was getting himself over while Brodus was not (it's worth noting that gimmick may also have played apart, but nevertheless).

So I would hardly say that Ryback got a super push right out of the blocks. Rather that he was booked well, and as a result, he got over. So then he build up some momentum, and beat more important guys (Miz, Ziggler, etc.) and the big push actually came when he was put into the program with Punk. But I don't see how it can be classed as undeserved when he build up the momentum for it, he was over, and the push actually worked. Surely such facts contradict the idea of a push being 'undeserved'. The only other argument to a push being undeserved is the cliche 'paying of dues' which I actually think it's an asinine point anyway, but nevertheless, the guy had been wrestling for over a decade, so I think by anyone's standards, that's 'dues' paid.

So he's gotten his push, he's in the main event of a PPV, and he gets beat. It was a screwjob finish but he's still beaten and the streak ends. But he's still over, and there's a rematch. Beaten again, screwy finish, he's still over. Rinse and repeat, etc. So the guy has lost ALL four of his big main event matches. So much for the 'big' push. But the guy is still very much over. I'm not saying he should have won any of those matches, but simply stating that his 'big' push really isn't that big of a push.

As for being a predictable, 'superman' babyface character. He is that. He does win the vast majority of his matches. But that's exactly how he should be booked for maximum effect. Based on the way he looks, and his hard hitting style, he's pretty much the perfect unstoppable monster. So if he loses random matches for the sake of unpredictability, or he loses clean, then he loses the aura of invincibility he has. And that aura of invincibility plays into what pro wrestling is all about. 'The immovable object vs the unstoppable force' and all that. That's what the HIAC PPV did such a good buyrate. It was the heel champion vs an unstoppable monster in a cell. Something had to give. It's also the reason why The Shield are so over. Seeing the indomitable Ryback manhandled and thrown threw a table. If The Shield did that to R-Truth, then it wouldn't have been as striking as when they did it to Ryback.
People are entitled to their opinion as are you. The thread is about people explaining the reasons why they aren't fans of him. Your kind of been hypocritical and brushing off peoples opinions with massive generalisations.

Im a fan of Yokozuna, Kane, The Undertaker, Lesnar, Batista, Andre The Giant etc
I dont like them because they are big guys I like them because they are talented.
All of these guys had the backing of the company and got massive pushes because they had talent to back it up with, their pushes weren't undeserved and were based on something more than getting a chant over.

I dont judge who I like based on size I base it on talent and I have yet to see any from Ryback, but that is my opinion and it is neither right or wrong.
 
#26 ·
I don't really get into Ryback very much, but I do understand why they are pushing him because he seems to be getting a good reaction. I do prefer watching the smaller wrestlers that are more versatile in the ring, but that doesn't mean I don't like any big wrestlers, I liked Mark Henry's "Hall of Pain" push, Brock Lesnar, Undertaker, and Kane. People have their own opinions on who they like and don't need to be told they have a problem with all big wrestlers just because they don't like Ryback, they don't HAVE to like the same style of wrestlers you like.
 
#27 ·
I think his theme, attire, facial expressions, gestures and catchphrase are all extremely goofy, instead of giving off the entire 'intensity' effect they're supposed to.

I don't mind him as a wrestler though, he's no way near the same league as Brock Lesnar, but he's a good powerhouse. People have their own personal preferences and you should respect that, instead of forcing your opinion on others then saying you 'don't give a fuck what anybody says'.
 
#28 ·
Here is a metaphor for Ryback.

The likes of Punk, Orton, Cena are helium filed balloons who soar and the sky is the limit.
Ryback is an air filled balloon that is been batted up in the air by Vince McMahon. It is only a matter of time before Vince Drops the balloon or gets bored and moves on to the next one.
 
#30 ·
I highly doubt that. There have been at least three reports which say that Vince is really high on Ryback.
 
#29 ·
This has nothing to do with juiced up guys one of my favorite wrestlers of all time is Goldberg. First of all his name is Ryback, I know wrestlers have nonsensical names but come on Ryback sounds like a created character a 6 year old made in SvR whose stats are completely maxed. His theme music is some of the worst and most cartoonish rock music I've ever heard. Not to mention he literally dresses up like RVD, it's like he's a parody of wrestling on some cartoon.
 
#31 ·
Ryback takes me out of watching the spectacle of professional wrestling, if that makes sense. The "Goldberg in Rob Van Dam's gear" imagery just throws me off. He's better in the ring than Goldberg but he's not nearly as explosive or powerful. I will say this, though. Heel Ryback (remaining dominant) will be much more awesome than Face Ryback.
 
#32 ·
He's billed as a monster and credible threat to the WWE title.

- He basically only has matches with jobbers.
- He hasn't won any high profile matches.
- He has to start his own chant to get the crowd going.
- He can't even lift Paul Heyman.
- He's extremely arrogant outside the ring, " I like to think Trent Barreta retired because of me"

That's why I dont like him.
 
#33 ·
Don't hate him if he's in the midcard. He's a midcard talent forced into a main event slot. He isn't that good of a wrestler or talker to be on that tier like Batista or Lesnar. And he certainly doesn't have the presence of a Warrior or Goldberg. He reminds me more of a One Man Gang than anyone of those guys.
 
#35 ·
Ultimate Warrior?! :lmao :lmao


I don't mind Ryback. In fact I kind of like him, if only because he's a breathe of fresh air. It's nice to have a big named face around who doesn't suck up or spit out shitty jokes all the time, and I imagine that's where a lot of the appeal for the audience comes from too.

However, he hasn't shown himself to be too great in the ring (not that he's been given too much of a chance though) and his mic work is... uh. Yes, the guy does seem to get winded quickly in longer matches. Yes, he does have goofy facial expressions: not nearly as bad as Swagger's mind you, but even so. I'm not sure how much lasting potential he has.

And yes, he was pushed too quickly. You have a few months of squashing jobbers, then straight to the main event? Okay, but now what? Back to squashing jobbers? Heh... no. Unlike Goldberg his squashes matches aren't particularly fun to watch so that's out, and it just seems like such a huge step down to go from feuding with CM Punk to squashing 3MB every week again that the audience will lose interest.

Like I said Ryback is fun to see around right now but I really do think he'll wind up being a fad. I'd be shocked if he's still in a main event position in the company 2 years from now; probably even 1.
 
#38 ·
Ryback sucks.

Ryback looks like the result of Steve Wilkos' retarded cousin having sex with a potato.

It has nothing to do with Ryback being jacked up, some people don't hate everybody who's jacked. People hate wrestlers that suck at wrestling. Ryback sucks at wrestling. People hate wrestlers that can't talk on the mic. Ryback can't talk on the mic. People don't like arrogant douche bags. When you say things like "I'm much better than Goldberg ever was in the ring.", or "I like to think that Tyler Reks retired because of me.", you're going to get a bad reputation.

It doesn't help that he sucks at literally everything except for being big and muscular.
 
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