Originally Posted by DoubleDeckerBar
That would describe guys like Kofi, Wade, Cody, Sandow, Truth etc. Ziggler was a glorified jobber like those guys, now he's holding his own in a feud with John Cena and is very likely to be going over him at TLC.
Holding his own? They've had 2 matches and he's lost both of them, and that's with Cena having a kayfabe torn meniscus.
He's likely going to go over Cena at TLC, but so what? It's not gonna be clean, it's gonna be because of some bullshit like AJ turning on him or something, and that's going to be the talking point, not Ziggler winning. Then he'll continue to job to guys like Sheamus and people will forget the win.
Once you become a Champion in WWE you always have the credibility of being a "former World Champion" to your name which means it doesn't matter how many times they beat you after, you're still a star and certainly not a glorified jobber, lower main eventer maybe, not a glorified jobber though.
He may have that tag but whether you're a world champion has nothing to do with whether they book you like a geek or not. Ziggler is a former world champion and look how fast Ryback tore his ass up on Main Event.
I don't know how to stress this enough, a glorified jobber has nothing to do with card position, a glorified jobber is somebody who is positioned higher than a jobber, yet his purpose is to lose. Is Tensai a glorified jobber? No, he's just a jobber, because they're not trying to pretend that he's NOT a jobber, he's presented exactly like one. They don't put him in big storylines and imply that he's a threat when everybody knows he isn't. Ziggler? He wins titles, he gets main events on SmackDown and Raw, he's "glorified" by the company, put in a position where he appears relevant, but at the end of the day, he's the guy who goes out and loses.
Look at some Superstars they've beaten like a drum but because they're former World Champs, they're still pretty big stars, Rey, Kane, Jericho, Christian, Bryan, Miz, Show etc etc. Obviously there can be exceptions if the performer is really really bad, e.g. Swagger, Khali, but the way I see it, once you have a respectable reign with a World Title, you're a star and can no longer be looked at as a "glorified jobber" Ziggler's about to achieve that.
Those guys are far more marketable and charismatic than Dolph, not to mention, they haven't been beaten nearly as badly. Jericho I guess has but he's one in a billion, he's the exception, the guy who has enough charisma to fill an ocean. Not to mention he has far more accolades. Ziggler has been jobbed out unmercifully. Even Bryan hasn't been beaten as badly as Ziggler, not in terms of an entire career at least.
You're putting so much faith in WWE for nothing. Believe me, WWE KNOWS what Ziggler's role is. They didn't just magically wake up at Survivor Series after YEARS of jobbing Dolph and decide that he's going to be credible from now on. I'm telling you, he's gonna win the belt, he's gonna hold onto it in a fluky manner for 2 or 3 months, he's gonna be forced to bump like a motherfucker for Ryback at Mania and job the title to him, then he's gonna be in the same position he was in before this Cena feud, or lower. Ziggler is not the best in the world, CM Punk, at a time when he's the hottest thing in wrestling. A feud with John Cena isn't gonna turn him around.