I get your point but it is acceptable for me because Jerry Lawler gave his OK. If I had a heart attack and made a thread in rants where I mock myself why is it a problem if I have no problem with it?
This is like when Tommy Dreamer did all the nasty things 2002 Undertaker told him. If he is ok with this storyline why should anyone feel sorry for Dreamer?
In other words, we all draw the line in different places.
I agree, the people who say "Attitude would never stoop this low" are full of shit, but at the same time, there are other people who tend to act like sleaze was ALL that Attitude was, and that bugs me just as much.
But the difference is the Owen Hart stunt went wrong, Jerry survived.
I admit, if Lawler was still in hospital and nobody asked him I would say that they went too far but there is a big possibility that Jerry Lawler suggested this promo.
I simply don't get why people feel so sorry for Lawler in this segment when the same guy actually wanted it that way.
There is a big possibility that it went this way 1 week ago
Punk: Hey Jerry, welcome back
Lawler: Thank you Punk
Punk: You know that before the heart attack we had a little feud so it would be nice if you could act that you dislike me while commentating
Lawler: Sadly you can not attack me anymore because of my health but I have a better idea
Lawler: What about you and your manager mock my heart attack
Punk: Are you crazy?
Lawler: Why not? I heard that you have problems to be accepted as heel so what can be a better moment to make the fans hate you by ruining my return and mock my health problems
Punk: Are you really sure?
Lawler: You act like you just became a wrestler. People do it all the time in the business. Remember the whole stuff I did with Jake Roberts 1996, Goldust in 1997 or with Michael Cole 2011 where he even talked about my mother and Grandmaster Sexay came back
Vince: And at the same time this will finally make all fans cheer for Cena
What do you think John?
Cena: I have a feeling this time it will work
I don't feel sorry for Lawler. I'm honestly not offended at all by the segment. I'm more puzzled than anything. Of all roads to go down, why this one? Why not just have Punk spit on Lawler and say he's glad he's 100% now because that's exactly how much he's gonna put into kicking Lawler's ass? Its like Vince's automatic reaction from as soon as Jerry got carted off moments after his heart attack was to start formulating how he can make an angle out of this on TV. THAT I have a problem with. The man almost died, leave him alone. No sooner was he back then you were exploiting his near death experience. It just comes off as a huge money grab, and ultimately, that's my issue.
I get what Cornette means although he bashes Russo once again but OK, he obviously missed the point of why Russo booked some storylines this way.
Remember the whole 1998 segments with DX when they had this giant water gun and pretended that was a penis? That also never sold tickets, added ratings points or helped continuing a storyline but that was typical acting of a face stable in the AE and the Punk/Heyman promo was typical acting of a heel wrestler and his manager.
He also said that he was better than Bruno Sammartino. They will sure never have a match but he mocked him anyway. Not every segment needs to further a storyline, sometimes a segment is supposed to make a face more loveable and a heel more hated, just like when Nexus attacked the WWE legends or R-Truth who attacked Hornswoggle, there was never a build up to a match
And btw Punk had problems with Lawler before the heart attack, Punk had problems with all the legends who disrespected him and he interrupted him just like he did it with Vince, JR, Bret Hart and Mick Foley.
Yeah, the only thing is that DX using a phallic water gun and Nexus attacking legends didn't have to do someone legitimately dying or almost dying. That's the difference. Cornette isn't a fan of that style of wrestling, but I was more talking about the fact that Punk doing that segment really didn't seem to have any giant effect that might have been worth going there. There are several other avenues they could have taken and obtained equal or better results.
Of course, there can never be a new AE because the whole society was a big Attitude Era then. To make it work you first need to make the whole TV shows look like Jerry Springer or South Park, you can not have this AE feeling when Twilight, Lil Wayne and Jersey Shore are something the current generation is proud of but maybe you can have a new edgier era that is still weak comparing to the AE but still better than the PG crap.
Yes, these examples like Laurinaitis, Cena acting like Barney the Dinosaur or the horrible Brock Lesnar booking are all valid but look how WWE looked 1995 and compare it 2 years later.
Of course the AE will never be duplicated but why not having an era that is at least better than the crap we had in the last 3 years
The 80s proved that you can be PG and also be entertaining. The WWE just isn't right now because unlike back then, the writing team is shit and the bookers are laughable. Ultimately, that's the biggest problem they have. Yes the Cena pandering is annoying as hell, but that's just bad PG.
Fair enough, I already posted in the other thread that I draw the line when the victim is not involved. If Droz has the idea to appear in a segment where CM Punk pushes him in a wheel chair off the stage then I have no problems with the segment because Droz has no problems with it. To be honest there is a bigger possibility that a WWE storyline about Chyna would upset me more, no matter that porn is nothing compared to a heart attack. It would upset me more simply because nobody asked Chyna for permission and if people could talk to dead people and Eddie had no problems with the "Eddie is in hell" storyline I would also not care for it
For you, if they get permission, its fine. For me, that permission doesn't necessarily make it OK. Simple difference of opinions.