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Official 11/19 Raw Discussion: Heart attacks and WASHRAGS

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Nothing special on the website. Just making this thread to get early discussion in. Should be interesting to see the directions they go in after the PPV results.
 
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C'mon, folks. Let's please not spoil this quality goodness with kneejerk hair-trigger talk of the "dawning of a new era" again.
 
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C'mon, folks. Let's please not spoil this quality goodness with kneejerk hair-trigger talk of the "dawning of a new era" again.
I was simply just responding to the post that WWE.com had about the montreal screwjob (which ultimately dawned in the Attitude Era)
No, I'm not a crazy one who thinks there needs to be a new AE or that we're about to enter one.
We're not in that time, and I don't want to go back to that time. I want it to be 2013 and fresh.
And with that I want an edgier product, not katie vick edgy but passionate type of edgy where people are pissed and have a REASON to be and want to fight instead of "you have belt I want" or "You bad, I good, let's fight".
I want true distinct characters, and I want things to have meaning again
(yes, even in a fictional world, just like a movie) so I can care about it!
I do believe however that with the start of the new year, the new debuts, Linda losing, the results of SS, and everything, that we are at a turning point. A very important turning point for WWE.
 
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Well, you could be right and you've certainly supported your case with sterling efficacy.

I was predicting Ambrose debuting at or the night after Survivor Series for a long time simply because of the timing of the election and all that and it looks like I may very well have been onto something. With Linda losing, the ratings kind of stagnant-to-downright bad and the product being very weak recently, it seems like someone somewhere wants to fix things, and we've seen signs of it with the Miz face turn, the tease of Orton turning heel, I suppose you could even say Big Show taking the WHC from Sheamus because it logically sets up a new potential megastar babyface to dethrone Big Show (realistically at WM29, and the likeliest candidate obviously being Ryback), and now the events of Survivor Series as the proverbial icing on the cake.

So, perhaps there is something to it and I hope that there is.

Without being wild-eyed or slavish toward CM Punk and the whole promise of change he quite vociferously allowed himself to represent nearly a year and a half ago, it's not altogether absurd to consider that the "process," as it were, would take a lengthy, long and windy road and for a long time be a case of "one step forward, two steps back" until enough time had passed and a sufficient number of complications were removed to make things genuinely, unmistakably "better" for the product at large.

But, I'll remain cautious and sober regardless, overall... Granted, my curiosity and excitement has been piqued by these very recent events and for the first time since the October 15th Raw the week after I attended the Sacramento, CA Raw on October 8th, I'm actually looking forward to Raw again.
 
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That is cool, CM Jewels. Good point. There seem to be signs that this was at least tentatively planned by some of the major players themselves.
 
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They have failed time and time again at every potential angle the past few years.
I'm only giving this one a chance because of all the people involved, and how everything is playing out.
If tomorrow is as good as we're all hoping it to be then we could finally be turning the page to a new chapter.
But we won't really know until around Mania time if all of this potential will come to fruition.
 
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I bet they don't put Punk with them as a stable. But it's something to look forward too.

But I have this feeling :)Brock) that they wont use the NXT guys at RAW.
I think they'll show up only because they identified them by NAME. That has to mean something.

Then again, maybe not, this is WWE. Vince has already changed his mind at least 10 times since the main event ended.
 
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Posted this in the other thread:

So glad I wasn't on the forum for that last night. Sounds like it was a headache to deal with lol. I think this is fine for Ambrose and Reigns since they are heels but not Rollins. This guy is a face through and through. He's the NXT Champion. I don't like him debuting like this. Given how random the whole thing is, I suspect they'll pull another Maddox here, tell us Punk had nothing to do with it and they'll be gone in 2 weeks back to NXT. Wouldn't surprise me in the slightest tbh.
Yeah, I'm not digging Rollins as a heel and think it's a bad call. Reigns only just debuted on NXT about 2 weeks ago and I think it's a bit early for him. The only guy who makes any sense is Ambrose. For these reasons I'm leaning towards them acting like this never happened and the NXT guys either don't appear or have one segment to explain why/get murdered by Ryback and that's the end of it.

I'm nowhere near as excited for this as most of the rest of you because I never let myself get excited for anything WWE does anymore. They are a constant disappointment. But I suppose I have to give them this, maybe they are trying for once. I doubt it but maybe they'll surprise me. Raw is an interesting one for sure but I think we're going to have a lot of disappointed people on our hands come 11pm tonight.
 
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^ Hey 1 question. Why is the purple-haired girl buttfucking the Japanese guy?

._.
 
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I think the payoff for Rollins here will be if this grows into something big and he can do the eventual split. I had faith in him getting over as a face upon a more traditional debut, but I'm sure splitting from Punk or Ambrose (who I'm assuming will get over as a heel with the WWE crowd) would be enough to cement him as a quick face who is established within the company.

All WAY beyond wishful thinking. I know. Merely speculating. I have time. A little under 12 hours, in fact. I'll keep the ideas floating around until the WWE decides to crush them.
 
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This is probably going to be one of the most anticipated RAW's this year. Let's see if it's worth it.
Not going to miss it for sure.

I just hope these 3 (especially Ambrose) are not just a filler and will eventually disappear. That would be such a slap in the face of the IWC. :lol
 
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This is probably going to be one of the most anticipated RAW's this year. Let's see if it's worth it.
Not going to miss it for sure.

I just hope these 3 (especially Ambrose) are not just a filler and will eventually disappear. That would be such a slap in the face of the IWC. :lol
:vince: has been known to troll the IWC several times, so even tho I'm excited and anticipating this nights RAW I'm not holding my hopes to the moon, because most likely they will be feed to ryback or some kind of other stupidity

like I said last night, nowadays you just have to enjoy those little mark out momments and that's it
 
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http://www.lordsofpain.net/news/wwe...n_s_Heel_Turn_Reason_for_Cena_s_New_Gear.html

- There has been talk of having a major celebration for WWE Champion CM Punk on tonight's RAW as he celebrates 365 days with the strap. This isn't confirmed but there were rumblings over the weekend of debuting the new WWE Title design soon.

Source: F4Wonline.com
actually nice to see this. but if it does come to fruition its obvious what will happen.....
 
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Knowing the writers they have around now, I have a feeling we won't even get to hear from Ambrose, Rollins etc. They might do another lame run-in at the end of the show, or they might just not show up at all. They already had Maddox save Punk and they kind of distanced him from Punk and Heyman, hell he might just disappear. Same with Ambrose, Rollins and...the other guy :p

http://www.lordsofpain.net/news/wwe...n_s_Heel_Turn_Reason_for_Cena_s_New_Gear.html



actually nice to see this. but if it does come to fruition its obvious what will happen.....
It would be the perfect time to reveal a new belt actually, I really hope they do this.
 
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I'll just say this...Ryback is gonna destroy Dean and everybody else from this point until the Royal Rumble. Without question. The payback is coming and they're gonna get chumped out BIG TIME.
 
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