I agree, orton has been irrelevant for his stupid actions (suspension) but let me tell you something in vince mcmahon´s eyes randy orton > cm punk, So I Expect randy to win once again the wwe championship next year and taking over raw, just like he did it in 2008, when he was booked to retains the wwe championship against cena and hhh at wrestlemania 24
Yeah, and in Vince McMahon's eyes, Randy Orton > John Cena too but who's the top guy in the company? Orton is Vince's fantasy crush, if he could get away with it, he would put Orton over EVERYONE but he can't because it'll drive a spike into business. Punk has overtaken Orton, and not just overtaken but overtaken to a level that can never be overturned. He's not getting the top heel spot until Punk retires, assuming he even does at that point and they don't turn Sheamus, Ryback, or turn to someone else. Forget it, he's midcard now. World Heavyweight midcard Champion, that's his level in 2012 after 9 failed attempts to make him John Cena 2.0.
Holy shit, could it be that you're talking about ryback?
FEED ME OBVIOUSNESS.
Being a nightmare didn't prevent Shawn Michaels from getting everything he wanted back in the 90s. If they were gonna push him, they should have gone the whole way with it. And I like how you have the ability to tell us about things that never happened/haven't happened. And he has enough charisma that people still pop for him after a year of doing absolutely nothing meaningful. THAT'S charisma, not how loud you talk on a microphone. And speaking of microphones, Orton delivered promos with plenty of energy and was always good at it back in 2004-2005 so it's just ignorant to claim he has no personality or mic skills just because he talks in a monotone in the last couple of years.
K, to start, Michaels is like 10 trillion times better than Orton, that's #1. #2, he had Vince wrapped around his finger than anyone EVER has, including Orton, or anyone else, that's #2. Also, WWE was VERY desperate back then, a lot more so than now and they didn't really have a choice but to put Michaels on top, that's #3.
The reason he gets pops after a year of doing nothing is because he's been built up so much. You think that's charisma? My god, he's beaten every single person imaginable a MILLION times, Vince has handed him more than anyone in the history of wrestling taken into account the level of star power he has, ie, not a MEGA star. You could take any random fucking guy on NXT, put him over Cena, Sheamus, Big Show, Orton, Ryback, etc, consistently for a year and I GUARANTEE he'll be over huge for life, regardless of talent, it's not rocket science.
Orton's promos have always been shit, this isn't about old, current, whatever. He can't talk. He isn't Ryback level bad to the point where you literally cannot hand him a microphone, but he's consistently been terrible.