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post #791 of 833 (permalink) Old 11-15-2012, 05:27 PM
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To anybody that thinks that people didn't mind this segment,and only think a few people did. Well, look at this.



So 745,000 people tuned in for the segment, and by the end 876,000 left. That is a huge amount.
Has nothing to do with the commercials, immediately announcing the 8 man tag match and then backstage segments before the tag match. Noooo. Notice how they tallied all those lost viewers to that segment rather than everything between it and the end of the tag match?

People trying to fit numbers into their assumptions, instead of the other way around.

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According to a report by Bryan Alvarez of The Figure Four Weekly Newsletter, the angle on Monday Night Raw this week where Paul Heyman and CM Punk mocked Jerry Lawler's heart attack was planned several weeks ago and was approved by everyone involved including Lawler and Mick Foley.
This is why I have no real issues with it, but there will always be folks who still think it is politically incorrect. Just because something taken from real life is mocked in a story line that doesn't mean that that's how anyone in the show truly feels about it. The issue of the heart attack has now become a part of a fictitious story that is turning it into something else entirely. There's nothing wrong with thinking it's messed up to mock someone who had a heart attack generally, but at this rate it's just actors playing their parts now. To those who do take this personally, you had might as well think that Jerry, himself, is messed up for allowing a storyline to be based off of something tragic like this and then that leaves you with no one to feel sorry for really. Maybe Lawler IS messed up individual. Maybe he just cares about the business and KNOWS that it's all acting at this point, now. Either way, it was good drama.

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Than usual, yeah...But it still wasn't the kind of heat you'd expect from making fun of someone having a heart attack.
I guess so. I do remember at the end of the show it was like nothing even happened since there were plenty of shots of guys crossing their arms over their head and cheering Punk on.
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Has nothing to do with the commercials, immediately announcing the 8 man tag match and then backstage segments before the tag match. Noooo. Notice how they tallied all those lost viewers to that segment rather than everything between it and the end of the tag match?

People trying to fit numbers into their assumptions, instead of the other way around.
So now we are going to blame everything else, except for the main segment of the quarter? Ok, that sounds awesome.
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So now we are going to blame everything else, except for the main segment of the quarter? Ok, that sounds awesome.
This isn't difficult to see.

We have:

1. 745k tune in for Punk/Lawler/Foley
2. Vote for the Team Foley member announcement
3. Maddox backstage spot
4. Tag team match announcement
5. Commercials
6. Backstage Punk segment
7. Tag Match (middle)

876k viewers were lost from the #1 to #7, but somehow it's all supposed to be attributed to #1? We're expected to believe that #2-#7 are such rating draws that people weren't tuning out? Look how much Sheamus/Otunga lost (900k+) and you're trying to tell me those between segments were even on that level? Let's get real here.

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post #795 of 833 (permalink) Old 11-15-2012, 08:54 PM
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This is why I have no real issues with it, but there will always be folks who still think it is politically incorrect. Just because something taken from real life is mocked in a story line that doesn't mean that that's how anyone in the show truly feels about it. The issue of the heart attack has now become a part of a fictitious story that is turning it into something else entirely. There's nothing wrong with thinking it's messed up to mock someone who had a heart attack generally, but at this rate it's just actors playing their parts now. To those who do take this personally, you had might as well think that Jerry, himself, is messed up for allowing a storyline to be based off of something tragic like this and then that leaves you with no one to feel sorry for really. Maybe Lawler IS messed up individual. Maybe he just cares about the business and KNOWS that it's all acting at this point, now. Either way, it was good drama.
Even if it is actors playing a part, the issue is that they decided to go down that road in the first place. It just gives the company this slimy look when they take the near death experience of one of their most famous, loyal and long time workers and try to make money off of it. That goes for everything-the t-shirts they made, the footage of Lawler they kept replaying showing him passing out and making it into an angle. Regardless if Lawler WAS cool with it, they're trying to push a story where he WASN'T cool with it. They don't see Jerry on screen saying "yeah, its cool, I don't mind." On top of that, even if he was ok with it, that doesn't mean there are people in the audience who are. What about the people watching at home who have had friends or family who have died of a heart attack, then they see WWE making fun of it for the purpose of making money. I just get kind of turned off by all of it, not because I'm offended, but its more due to the fact that its a sign that they can't use legitimate, tactful means of getting heat. It comes across as a sign of desperation that they're willing to go to very questionable extremes in order to advance the product. Time and time again they've proven they can keep things tasteful and succeed, and then every so often they bust something like this out, and I have to wonder why. It could have been achieved another way, and instead the way they chose comes across as very low class-hence why people here are referring to it as cheap heat. Its a shortcut guaranteed to work, but they're treading touchy waters. Does the end justify the means? I don't think so. They had the ability to work around this and find another equally, if not more, effective way that they could have used to display their creativity. It wasn't like this was the ONLY way to go. The fact that they did makes it seem like they're grasping for anything that will work, and if its easier, all the better, regardless if that method is pretty apparently offensive to a lot of people.
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All of this arguing is extremely upsetting and certainly not good for mental health

So let's just be thankful that WWE were even able to make a work from this scenario, because Jerry is still alive

Uh oh, Bi-Bolar
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All of this arguing is extremely upsetting and certainly not good for mental health

So let's just be thankful that WWE were even able to make a work from this scenario, because Jerry is still alive

Uh oh, Bi-Bolar
How much do you want to bet we'd see a "Jerry is in hell!" storyline if he'd died? Vince knows no limits.
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post #798 of 833 (permalink) Old 11-15-2012, 09:36 PM
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The backlash they're receiving justifies why they should never be edgy again. People are so easily offended nowadays.
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All of this arguing is extremely upsetting and certainly not good for mental health

So let's just be thankful that WWE were even able to make a work from this scenario, because Jerry is still alive

Uh oh, Bi-Bolar
As a Bi-Polar Manic Depressive I am deeply offended by your comments. You sir have crossed the line of good taste and have proven yourself to be scum by mocking said real life affliction.

Whom should I file a complaint with?
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This isn't difficult to see.

We have:

1. 745k tune in for Punk/Lawler/Foley
2. Vote for the Team Foley member announcement
3. Maddox backstage spot
4. Tag team match announcement
5. Commercials
6. Backstage Punk segment
7. Tag Match (middle)

876k viewers were lost from the #1 to #7, but somehow it's all supposed to be attributed to #1? We're expected to believe that #2-#7 are such rating draws that people weren't tuning out? Look how much Sheamus/Otunga lost (900k+) and you're trying to tell me those between segments were even on that level? Let's get real here.

uh, didnt punk/lawler/foley take up a good majority of the top of hour 2? None of this is verifiable now, but I swore that Lawler's return topped off hour 2 of the broadcast.
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