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post #711 of 833 (permalink) Old 11-14-2012, 01:12 PM
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Re: Punk & Heyman mocking King's heart attack

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you know just because it happened during the Attitude era doesnt make it acceptable...oh, and I'm interested to know what % of the people defending this promo found Vince's mocking of JR to be reprehensible.
The difference between Vince mocking JR and Punk mocking Lawler is that Lawler has recovered from his heart attack, whereas JR will never completely overcome Bell's Palsy. The difference is akin to that of mocking a guy with a broken leg vs mocking an amputee.
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I do have any hate towards punk for that segment. Just the writers.


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The difference between Vince mocking JR and Punk mocking Lawler is that Lawler has recovered from his heart attack, whereas JR will never completely overcome Bell's Palsy. The difference is akin to that of mocking a guy with a broken leg vs mocking an amputee.
on a technical level, no one ever recovers from a heart attack...
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As long Punk and Lawler discussed everything over properly then I see no problem with it and if Vince gave Punk a big ol sick smile backstage then it is A-OK in my book

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Re: Punk & Heyman mocking King's heart attack

It woudn't have gone ahead if Lawler himself was uncomfortable with what happened.

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It woudn't have gone ahead if Lawler himself was uncomfortable with what happened.
Still ...Punk does his promos with no word by word script and adlibs a lot so some added things possibly could of been said/done that Jerry didn't know of.

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I don't agree with Jericho's excuse that "well we all know it was going to be made into an angle." I love ya Jericho, but that's crap. They didn't HAVE to make fun of it and make it into an angle. They chose to. Why? Because Vince is scum.

Then again, I should have seen this coming. Back at Wrestlemania 28, Lawler cracked a joke about Johnny Ace's white suit that said, and I quote, “That suit is so ugly, it would give Brother Love a heart attack.” Sure enough, two weeks before the event, Bruce Pritchard suffered two serious heart attacks. So that's how WWE deals with serious real life events. Makes them into jokes.

Of course, when TNA acknowledged Jerry Lawler's heart attack, they simply said "we send our best wishes to Jerry Lawler and hope he gets better soon. Our thoughts are with you, Jerry." Very tactful and respectful. Probably because TNA isn't run by total scum.

Answer me this-we get on Susan G. Komen for taking donations to their cancer research and using it to live extravagant lifestyles (6 figure salaries for higher ups), fund their administration and whatnot, basically making breast cancer a business. They're exploiting serious real life events and making a living off of it. How is WWE any different? They're exploiting serious real life events, Lawler' heart attack, and they're using it to further an angle an get a superstar over, who will sell merchandise and tickets and allow Vince to live his elite lifestyle. Why is one OK and the other is reprehensible?



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you know just because it happened during the Attitude era doesnt make it acceptable...oh, and I'm interested to know what % of the people defending this promo found Vince's mocking of JR to be reprehensible.
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If you think this kind of promo was standard in the AE, then you probably didnt watch the AE.
There are many posts in this thread similar to "Attitude Era never stooped that low"
well I posted many segments from the AE that were even lower and proved that AE had even worst segments than a faked heart attack.
You wanted all edgy adult TV, there you have it and poop in the office of Mr. McMahon and Vince pissing his pants was Teletubbies compared to the fake heart attack.
And the big difference between the JR segment and this is that JR was not involved in that segment and probably nobody asked him for permission.

This thread proves that IWC would complain about anything WWE does but I'd rather have the forum complain about the heart attack than about Brodus Clay. At least I have my entertainment and watch some adult storylines.
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Really? Please remind me of when they did an angle based on an reality event where someone nearly died?

There were a lot of things which were brutal but they were staged and the angle themselves pulled you in. They didn't use cheap heat methods such as that.

Anyone else getting slightly iritated by people keep saying that?
As somebody else pointed out, what about when they continued Over the Edge after Owen Hart died or when they interviewed Melanie Pillman shortly after Brian Pillman's death? The WWE does this sort of thing all the time. By "this sort of thing" I meant stuff that pushed the envelope and got people talking. If this had happened in the Attitude Era, then Punk would have probably come out the next week wearing a T-shirt with something to the effect of "I broke the King's heart" written on it. Another thing I find funny is that a lot of the people on here defending Lawler (who probably gave them permission to do the segment or even came up with the idea himself) are probably the same ones who hated him for his increasingly awful commentary prior to his heart attack.

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Answer me this-we get on Susan G. Komen for taking donations to their cancer research and using it to live extravagant lifestyles (6 figure salaries for higher ups), fund their administration and whatnot, basically making breast cancer a business. They're exploiting serious real life events and making a living off of it. How is WWE any different? They're exploiting serious real life events, Lawler' heart attack, and they're using it to further an angle an get a superstar over, who will sell merchandise and tickets and allow Vince to live his elite lifestyle. Why is one OK and the other is reprehensible?
The first difference that comes to mind is that the first is about handling money that people gave to cancer research, while the second is just making themselves noticeable, not spending any money that would otherwise have gone towards research. I don't think that's the same at all, just as I don't think it's the same to make a joke about that people starve in Africa and taking a very big salary out of the money that's donated to help feed said people.

There's such a big difference between things like those that I don't see how you can really compare them in that manner, even if you think both things are despicable. I'd bet that a joke about people starving wouldn't get the same wide criticism though, despite that world famine is far more important than a single guy getting a heart attack and surviving.

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