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post #641 of 833 (permalink) Old 11-13-2012, 08:34 PM
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The wife of Brian Pillman interviewed on Raw 24 hours after the death of her husband.
Now try to top that with any low moment you and all other smartasses and this comes from a big Attitude Era fan.

I am just sick of all people posting for months how they want edgier TV like in the AE and when something happens you post that AE never stooped that low.

Melanie Pillman interview, continuing Over the Edge, using the daughter Dakota for a extreme love triangle storyline between Goldust, Marlena and Pillman with the little girl appearing in the segments, Jim Ross appearing on TV right only a couple of weeks after the Bell's palsy when he couldn't properly speak and still cut promos as heel where you could barely understand him, Owen Hart proudly presenting a "Owen 3:16" shirt after almost paralyzing Steve Austin

Stop pretending like AE was so special because they were so edgy but never stooped that low. I listed many moments that were even lower.
The Attitude Era had many "tell me he didn't just say that" and "tell me he didn't just do that" moments and on Monday it was one of these moments.

Attitude Era was dirty and without taboos and that's why they had great ratings, PPV buys and kicked the ass of WCW because we liked those kind of segments
See, I understand what you mean. Attitude did have a lot of moments like that. What pisses me off is that people act like that's ALL Attitude was sometimes. You yourself know it was a lot more than that. I don't get the people who come into this thread and say "well Attitude would have done something like that, why can't you be happy?!" Because there was more to Attitude than just tasteless segments.

On top of that, the Attitude era stuff is so fondly remembered because of one simple principle-right place, right time. The industry wanted that at the time, and that's what they got. That's a big reason why it was so popular. You think if Hogan had still been doing his Hulkamania gimmick in 1997 people would have cared? This era...people don't want that kind of thing anymore. Dare I say, its become passe? I don't want them to do more Attitude era stuff because it will be nothing like Attitude, just a shitty revamp. So now, in and amongst all this goody two shoes crap about Breast Cancer and Make a Wish, we get this incredibly tasteless, needless segment shoehorned in. Why?

Attitude worked perfectly because of the specific talent, the demands of the fans and the general revolution in the industry the nWo angle had brought on. All those elements made it incredible. To me, this is the kind of crash TV I expect from Nitro in 2000, and I'm seeing Ed Ferrara mimic JR's Bell's Palsy. You can do it, but why would you? Why do you need to 'go there'?

Again, there's edginess in storylines...and then there's this. Melanie Pillman wasn't a cool thing to do back then, just like its not cool to do now. Its just that a lot of fans overlooked it because everything else was so great. Now...nothing else to distract from the lack of sensitivity these days.



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post #642 of 833 (permalink) Old 11-13-2012, 08:35 PM
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I found the entire segment tasteless. I'm sure Jerry agreed but I still felt very uncomfortable during that segment. My complaint is the video package. The fact that they recorded Jerry while he was dying (Lawler was clinically dead for 15 minutes apparently) was blatant exploitation. It's even worse that they aired it on tv. I'm all for an edgier product but I don't really recall the attitude era using real life near death situations (Droz being paralyzed was never aired, Owen Harts fall never aired, etc) for cheap heat. Life goes on though and as long as Jerry Lawler is okay than I guess we should move on.
I posted even worse examples in AE but now to the Owen Hart and Droz situations.
First, you can't compare it with Lawler because the one guy is dead and the other is paralized. Jerry is alive and well and they never showed any footage of him until he recovered so until a miracle happens and Droz gets well they will never release any footage of the incident, if Lawler was still in the hospital we would have no video packages of his heart attack and no Punk & Heyman promo but some people have a hard time to see he difference between Lawler and guys like Owen, Eddie or Droz.

As for Owen Hart, there is no footage anyway. When the tragedy happened the arena was dark and they showed a pre-taped interview with Kevin Kelly and him as Blue Blazer on the titantron and the cameraphones don't existed in early 1999 so there are no amateur videos
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Re: Punk & Heyman mocking King's heart attack

Can people stop comparing this to the Attitude Era? Sick and tired of people saying it happened all the time in the Attitude Era where it didn't.

The same peeps who say this probably didn't watched that Era in the first place.

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That was the most disgusting fucking thing any company has done all year. Including filming every minute of the fucking heart attack just to make a damn promo of it.
And here comes the new Mr. Same Old Shit, CM Punk w/Paul "F'n" Heyman. WWE is so desperate to get this guy over as a heel, and this just came out as disgusting and beyond awful. Couldn't even finish Raw because of that shit. Left a beyond sour taste in my mouth after that. Why is it during the fall season they decide to do the stupidest shit possible?

Jerry Jarrett pretty much summed it up


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eels pissing off marks? However will we cope. Wrestling is lowest common demominator and has been for years, get over it. You want attitude era back? this kind of stuff was commonplace back then



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post #646 of 833 (permalink) Old 11-13-2012, 08:51 PM
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Basically this...anyone defending this is really making me question their intelligence. I get that you all think that Lawler "had to agree to it", but do you think that means he has to be ok with it? Vince is a cold businessman, who probably told Lawler that he was gunna do it regardless. And you all think that Punk was gunna say no to the guy who signs his multi-million dollar paycheck? FUCK NO.

Face it, all parties involved probably agreed to this...against their better judgement, and probably their own wills. Regardless, even if all sides amicably agreed to let this stunt play out, it's a despicable act to let a company try to turn a profit by turning a serious life event into yet another scripted storyline.
The people involved make me think they were fine with it, this isn't Triple H and J.R, nothing against either guy but if Vince tells them to do something I think they'd do it because their 'company guys', Punk and Lawler? Both are pretty independent spirits, One came extremely close to quitting the company because he wasn't happy the other quit a few times and doesn't need the job for money and would very easily tell Vince to go fuck himself.



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See, I understand what you mean. Attitude did have a lot of moments like that. What pisses me off is that people act like that's ALL Attitude was sometimes. You yourself know it was a lot more than that. I don't get the people who come into this thread and say "well Attitude would have done something like that, why can't you be happy?!" Because there was more to Attitude than just tasteless segments.

On top of that, the Attitude era stuff is so fondly remembered because of one simple principle-right place, right time. The industry wanted that at the time, and that's what they got. That's a big reason why it was so popular. You think if Hogan had still been doing his Hulkamania gimmick in 1997 people would have cared? This era...people don't want that kind of thing anymore. Dare I say, its become passe? I don't want them to do more Attitude era stuff because it will be nothing like Attitude, just a shitty revamp. So now, in and amongst all this goody two shoes crap about Breast Cancer and Make a Wish, we get this incredibly tasteless, needless segment shoehorned in. Why?

Attitude worked perfectly because of the specific talent, the demands of the fans and the general revolution in the industry the nWo angle had brought on. All those elements made it incredible. To me, this is the kind of crash TV I expect from Nitro in 2000, and I'm seeing Ed Ferrara mimic JR's Bell's Palsy. You can do it, but why would you? Why do you need to 'go there'?

Again, there's edginess in storylines...and then there's this. Melanie Pillman wasn't a cool thing to do back then, just like its not cool to do now. Its just that a lot of fans overlooked it because everything else was so great. Now...nothing else to distract from the lack of sensitivity these days.
That's fair enough and I know that AE was more than that but look at it this way.
This was shocking, no matter if someone loved it or is disgusted, it was something that would guaranteed not happen 1 month ago.
Who knows, maybe it's not a coincidence that it happened right after the end of Linda McMahon and that WWE has a new man in the writing team.
During the run of Linda it was not allowed to kick flags or using ties and now you see someone mocking a heart attack.
My point is, maybe now the sky is the limit like 15 years ago and the next week we will see something edgy that you like and reminds you of 97-99.
It looks like there is room for more what was not imaginable 1 month ago.
12 years ago we had Mae Young and the hand but at the same time we had The Rock vs Triple H
10 years ago we had Katie Vick but at the same time we had Brock Lesnar and The Undertaker.
The most important thing (and I believe we all agree) is that there is more room for edgier storylines. Not everbody needs to like it, one week a segment is disgusting, next week we have a epic segment, next week we have a facepalm segment, the other week again a great segment and so on but most important thing is that there is freedom to do some controversial things.
Only time will tell if there is really a new era or if Vince is afraid again of Linda and the media
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I just like how most of this forum thought it was a disgrace when Vinny Mac mocked JR's Bells Palsey, but think that mocking a heart attack (a far more life-threatening issue) is ok.
It's all about heirarchy IMO, Vince has fucked over J.R over the years on plenty occasions, I doubt he asked J.R if he was happy with it, nothing against J.R but he's a little spineless when it comes to this stuff, Lawler on the other hand has quit the company plenty of times and doesn't need the job, if he wasn't OK with it he'd easily tell Vince to go fuck himself.



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I found it hilarious. I'm sure if King had a problem with it it, they wouldn't have done it.
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Just saw it and it was hilarious and the fact that everyone was so offended by it makes it even better. However this is the reason the AE can never come back, people are too easily offended and PC nowadays. I remember Vince Mcmahon humiliating and forcing Trish to strip while she was crying in the ring, that to me was way worse than this because it made you think how much further it can go and made you really feel bad for Trish. I thought this was peanuts compared to that but these are the times.
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