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post #581 of 833 (permalink) Old 11-13-2012, 03:48 PM
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I just like how most of this forum thought it was a disgrace when Vinny Mac mocked JR's Bells Palsey, but think that mocking a heart attack (a far more life-threatening issue) is ok.
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Jim Ross was not involved in this segment and nobody asked him if he allows them to do it.

Jerry Lawler was involved, he is alroght and that makes the difference. If CM Punk did it 7 days after the hear attack I would call it disgusting too.

Some people act like watching the Dave Chappelle show and complaining "that's racist!"
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The reason they call it entertainment, like it or not this is what they consider entertainment. Shocking people and making people angry seems liked it work over here. Wrestling gets a bad rap because people proclaim that it's fake not because of "Poor Taste" moments. Ask anyone if they watch wrestling, what's the first words that escapes their mouth after you ask them...."You know wrestling is fake right?". No matter how YOU think wrestling is viewed in public eyes, the truth is that people see wrestling as "fake".
Once upon a time, people could watch wrestling, and be proud of it, despite it being fake.

Now, its like a secret shame.

Look at movies. Movies are fake. Do you hear Dark Knight Rises getting a bad rap because it wasn't real? Its the same concept as WWE-they ask you to suspend your disbelief and buy into what is happening as real, so you become emotionally invested and care about the plot and characters. Dark Knight Rises succeeded in that. I've never heard one person go and say "I loved this movie!" and have that be responded to with "you know it was fake, right?" Why is that, do you think? Because movies are generally viewed as something that's cool and popular. Wrestling back in the day was as well, so you could watch it, know it was fake and still enjoy it, and have it be acceptable in the eyes of others.

WWE today, on the other hand, makes it embarrassing for wrestling fans to admit their interest...and I think it largely has to do with bullshit like this.



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Re: Punk & Heyman mocking King's heart attack

I think the segment was absolutely disrespectful. All it did was show how low Vince is willing to stoop to create anything that's even remotely entertaining (and this certainly wasn't). The fact that most people on here who enjoyed the segment are defending their opinion with the fact that Lawler allowed for the segment to take place is absolutely ridiculous. Yes, because the fact that Jerry Lawler allowed for a segment involving Paul Heyman faking a heart attack and CM Punk calling Lawler's heart attack fake to take place clearly makes it okay and we should all like it, right?

This wasn't edgy. This wasn't what the Attitude Era stood for. This was just plain disrespectful. No wonder wrestling is looked down upon in today's society.

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I kinda just stood there like "wtf." to me it was cheap and a failed attempt to get heat. Anyone could have done that. to me that isn't entertaining, nor does it take skill to do something like that. Im a big Paul heyman guy and I like punk to an extent but I didn't find that entertaining at all. my opinion tho


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Once upon a time, people could watch wrestling, and be proud of it, despite it being fake.

Now, its like a secret shame.

Look at movies. Movies are fake. Do you hear Dark Knight Rises getting a bad rap because it wasn't real? Its the same concept as WWE-they ask you to suspend your disbelief and buy into what is happening as real, so you become emotionally invested and care about the plot and characters. Dark Knight Rises succeeded in that. I've never heard one person go and say "I loved this movie!" and have that be responded to with "you know it was fake, right?" Why is that, do you think? Because movies are generally viewed as something that's cool and popular. Wrestling back in the day was as well, so you could watch it, know it was fake and still enjoy it, and have it be acceptable in the eyes of others.

WWE today, on the other hand, makes it embarrassing for wrestling fans to admit their interest...and I think it largely has to do with bullshit like this.
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Raunchy and offensive as Attitude may have been, at least they didn't have Triple H climb up to the rafters in a Blue Blazer costume and start dangling off of them while screaming "OH MOMMY, ITS TOO HIGH, BUT I GUESS FALLING IS THE ONLY WAY I CAN MAKE AN 'IMPACT'" one month after Over the Edge 1999. Why? Because there's offensive, and then there's shockingly, unforgivably, disgustingly, horribly offensive.
The difference is Jerry is alive and well and Owen died
That's why the Punk/Heyman segment was not so offensive like some people post here
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I think the segment was absolutely disrespectful. All it did was show how low Vince is willing to stoop to create anything that's even remotely entertaining (and this certainly wasn't). The fact that most people on here who enjoyed the segment are defending their opinion with the fact that Lawler allowed for the segment to take place is absolutely ridiculous. Yes, because the fact that Jerry Lawler allowed for a segment involving Paul Heyman faking a heart attack and CM Punk calling Lawler's heart attack fake to take place clearly makes it okay and we should all like it, right?

This wasn't edgy. This wasn't what the Attitude Era stood for. This was just plain disrespectful. No wonder wrestling is looked down upon in today's society.
Lawler being ok with it is very important in my opinion. I feel like he is the one who had the near death experience, so he should be the one to approve its transition to the product.


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I know that Vince and many other industry promoters and businessmen have wondered so many times "why is it wrestling gets such a bad rap? You know, hockey, baseball, basketball, now UFC, they all get taken so much more seriously than wrestling. Why can't we achieve that level of seriousness?"

Well, this segment from last night would be a pretty good indicator of why that is.

I don't know how Joey Ryan in TNA is using the catchphrase "I'm bringing sleazy back." The way the WWE acts, you'd think Vince would have trademarked that for himself 20 years ago.

This is pretty much the Katie Vick moment of this era. They have just stooped to that new level of 'low' that is pretty much not going to be outdone, and will go down in annals of history right alongside Triple H fucking a corpse, Mae Young birthing a hand, Rosie vs Donald Trump, Jake Roberts and Scott Hall having their drug problems being made into a storyline, etc. In a way, its kind of an honor. This segment was so tasteless, so devoid of humanity and decency, so completely wrong that its sorta historical. 50 bucks says that this wins the Wrestling Observer Award for "Most Disgusting Promotional Tactic."
What's wrong with a bad guy being bad? You know, Walter White was a despicable motherfucker in Breaking Bad and nobody have a problem with him being such a terrible human being.

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Once upon a time, people could watch wrestling, and be proud of it, despite it being fake.

Now, its like a secret shame.

Look at movies. Movies are fake. Do you hear Dark Knight Rises getting a bad rap because it wasn't real? Its the same concept as WWE-they ask you to suspend your disbelief and buy into what is happening as real, so you become emotionally invested and care about the plot and characters. Dark Knight Rises succeeded in that. I've never heard one person go and say "I loved this movie!" and have that be responded to with "you know it was fake, right?" Why is that, do you think? Because movies are generally viewed as something that's cool and popular. Wrestling back in the day was as well, so you could watch it, know it was fake and still enjoy it, and have it be acceptable in the eyes of others.

WWE today, on the other hand, makes it embarrassing for wrestling fans to admit their interest...and I think it largely has to do with bullshit like this.
When the WWE was at his peak of popularity the amount of bullshit and trash in it was incredible. If nowadays we have to cope with a lot of childish garbage, back then it was teenage garbage. And that's the worst kind of it.
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Re: Punk & Heyman mocking King's heart attack

I'm going to say this and then I'm done.

In response to comments like "This is trashy TV", "I'd be embarrassed to show this to a non-wrestling fan", and "This is why wrestling gets a bad rap"...Guess what?

Pro Wrestling is not some high-brow or sophisticated form of entertainment, nor will it ever be. It will never be respected by the mainstream ever again (When it was, it was still horrible television but indicative of the public consciousness at the time), and it will never be socially acceptable for anyone over the age of 12 to watch.

If you think or have ever thought otherwise, you are delusional. Wrestling will never not have a "bad rap". Some of you desperately want wrestling to be viewed as cool again by people that matter so you can validate your love for it and flaunt your fandom publicly.

Pro Wrestling is cheesy, corny, and ridiculous when you really stop and think about it. A high percentage of you still hide the fact that you watch it from your friends and family, and even your girlfriend (those of you that have them). Yet you have the audacity to take a moral high ground and whine about how you could never show this to a "casual". You are ashamed of the genre to begin with, so you can't really point fingers can you?

To them, we might as well be watching Power Rangers and Saturday Morning cartoons in our pajamas. It's a rather childish hobby that we grew up on and still take part in.

If this rustles your jimmies, just pray your friends don't ever see Val Venis getting his dick chopped off, Katie Vick, Mae Young giving birth to a hand, Bossman getting lynched, or the Chairman's daughter getting crucified. You'd never live it down.

Dean Ambrose said it best. To paraphrase: Wrestling is just a bunch of guys in underwear making funny faces. If you've fooled yourself into believing that pro wrestling is somehow above these types of angles, you are taking the genre entirely too seriously.

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What's wrong with a bad guy being bad? You know, Walter White was a despicable motherfucker in Breaking Bad and nobody have a problem with him being such a terrible human being.
Yeah but he's being horrible to fictional situations. They had Punk making fun of a real heart attack not one that was scripted.

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