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Best raw in a while I thought, most of the matches were entertaining and the Lawler/Punk segment was great. No suprise most people here thought it was the worst RAW they've ever seen.
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After the scene with Cena and Ryback, is anyone else really getting the Hogan/Warrior vibe?

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Oh, "the look" requirement...so unless someone looks like a bodybuilder, they arent worthy of air time?



Intimidating is a good quality to have, but what's intimidating about him squashing jobbers?



you know, part of being good in the business is to be good on the mic. If you're going to spout one line in 7 months, you're probably a chasm of charisma.



You're right, he totally doesnt hulk up to the crowd's delight



oh man...he does squash matches like a BOSS? Thats a title contender's biggest asset!



Like asenath asked...what do you see in him? What potential? The guy has an old gimmick, that was done with more success and credibility in WCW.
1. About the look. Did I ever say that if someone doesn't look like a bodybuilder, they are not worthy of air time. No I didn't, its just you making shit up. I like Ryback's look. So fucking what.

2. Yes he is intimidating, plus he has not only squashed jobbers. He has squashed the WWE champion CM Punk, former WHC Ziggler, former WHC Swagger, former WWE champion The Miz.

3. No, you don't have to be fucking good on the mic to make it in the business. There has been a ton of guys that have made it to the top that don't have almost any mic skills.

4. O wow he chants feed me more and the crowd chants it with him. At least he is not in there saying shit like "Glad to be in whatever fucking city we are in". Or "I love you fans", or other shit like that that every other fucking face does in today's WWE to suck up to the fans.

5. Yes, he is a title contender by squashing everybody in the ring, including the current WWE champion, and a handful of former World champions. In kayfabe, it makes him look like a monster destroying everybody in the way he does. Imagine if this was the UFC for example. You have one guy destroying everybody with ease, and you think hmmmmm. I shouldnt give him the next title shot because he has beaten everybody I have put in front of him so easily.

So fucking what if he has a gimmick similar to Goldberg? I should hate him for that. News flash, Goldberg did his gimmick over 10 years ago. Eventually it will get repeated. Everything in pro wrestling gets recycled. Do you hate CM Punk or Dolph Ziggler because they are just the same generic heels that pretty much every other heel in the company is? O no, CM Punks current gimmick has been done in the past as well. Now I have to hate him.

Wasn't Goldberg basically a WCW copy of the Ultimate Warrior? O fuck, now you have to hate Goldberg because his gimmick has been done in the past as well.


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you know, part of being good in the business is to be good on the mic. If you're going to spout one line in 7 months, you're probably a chasm of charisma.
Sting.

But even Goldberg did the occasional brief interview. Ryback has to talk more at some point.


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Wasn't Goldberg basically a WCW copy of the Ultimate Warrior? O fuck, now you have to hate Goldberg because his gimmick has been done in the past as well.
Come to think about it, Goldbore was also one of those guys I could have done without. Always there, snorting like a . . . very snorty thing, taking up time the guys I wanted to watch could have had. Or even worse, squashing the guys I wanted to watch like they were local jobbers.
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Considering I couldn't give less of a fuck about Ryback or Cena and the match is essentially all about them now, I don't have high hopes. The 5v5 has no point to it at all and it seems that it's going to focus on fucking Miz now. Show/Sheamus could be good since the HIAC one was good but the outcome means literally nothing to me. Might be time for me to take that break.



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I was surprised at that Orton/Ziggler match. Both of them put good work into that match. As soon as i saw Teddy Long come out I just knew there was going to be some sort of tag team. Don't get me wrong I like that they're attempting to put spark in the tag division, (and I don't have a problem with Teddy) but what I don't like is that Teddy = Tag Team matchups every time. Unless within my absence of watching for so many years Teddy declared it's his mission to revive the tag division...I don't know. I thought that tag match was okay. It had action that caught my attention here and there.

I was disappointed to see Regal doing a one-on-one with the Big Show because I knew he was gonna wind up with slap marks on his chest again. Within the storyline, though, it's kind of admirable how much pride and determination Regal has even if he knows he might not win.

It was nice seeing Lawler back. He made a nice emotional speech and it didn't drag on too long. I kinda figured that someone would interrupt (WWE equation) and I knew it would be Punk. At first I thought that WWE was going to go on some sudden illness bandwagon starting with Heyman so I rolled my eyes at his antic, but when I realized Heyman was just being Heyman I got back into it.

I can see that AJ is back to her old ways and now Cena is the new victim.

I was disappointed with the Maddox/Ryback match. I didn't think Maddox would win clean, but I was hoping he'd somehow figure out a win-by-disqualification or at the very least disqualify himself by beating Ryback senseless with a sort of melee weapon. I hope that they continue to bring back Maddox but make him more dangerous and cunning.

D-Bry-Bry was...just...so silly last night. He's starting to realize how much he needs Kane and it may just be too late. It's like something out of a fan-fiction. Bry-Bry has bumped his way up my favorites list little by little and I used to hate the guy. Same with the Miz too. I love Miz's sort-of face change. Kane...well...Kane is Kane.

The main event was pretty cool. Good performance by Cena and Punk but I don't understand the point of Foley being a main enforcer. What does the enforcer role give? I was hoping that he'd be a guest ref or something. Anyway, the end got me chuckling when Ryback and Cena were tugging at the belt and Punk kept trying to grab it with that pouty face.

Overall I'd say it was average. I didn't record it this time and the only times I got up off the couch was during commercial breaks. Then again I was playing my DSi during the matches that bored me.



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So Teddy announces a tag match even though Vickie is on the show and in a higher position than he is? Fuck logic!
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Considering I couldn't give less of a fuck about Ryback or Cena and the match is essentially all about them now, I don't have high hopes. The 5v5 has no point to it at all and it seems that it's going to focus on fucking Miz now. Show/Sheamus could be good since the HIAC one was good but the outcome means literally nothing to me. Might be time for me to take that break.
Just start watching again after the TLC ppv is over.

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1. About the look. Did I ever say that if someone doesn't look like a bodybuilder, they are not worthy of air time. No I didn't, its just you making shit up. I like Ryback's look. So fucking what.
There's a difference between liking a guy's look, and saying "he has THE look"

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2. Yes he is intimidating, plus he has not only squashed jobbers. He has squashed the WWE champion CM Punk, former WHC Ziggler, former WHC Swagger, former WWE champion The Miz.
in 7 months, he's only beat down on 3 legitimate talents?...focus on Goldberg's push for a moment, and realize that Goldberg beat that many credible guys in his first 2 months.

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3. No, you don't have to be fucking good on the mic to make it in the business. There has been a ton of guys that have made it to the top that don't have almost any mic skills.
name one guy aside from sting who didnt give an interview at all, with either a mouthpiece or on his own, that has become a successful top tier talent? I'll be waiting.

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4. O wow he chants feed me more and the crowd chants it with him. At least he is not in there saying shit like "Glad to be in whatever fucking city we are in". Or "I love you fans", or other shit like that that every other fucking face does in today's WWE to suck up to the fans.
So every other face in the company uses those cheese lines for Cheap Pops? Surely Ryback doesnt use those lines...but he doesnt use any line other than "FEED ME MOAR"

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5. Yes, he is a title contender by squashing everybody in the ring, including the current WWE champion, and a handful of former World champions. In kayfabe, it makes him look like a monster destroying everybody in the way he does. Imagine if this was the UFC for example. You have one guy destroying everybody with ease, and you think hmmmmm. I shouldnt give him the next title shot because he has beaten everybody I have put in front of him so easily.
handful of former World Champions? By your own admission, the only talent he's squashed was Miz, Punk, and Ziggler. Miz is borderline, as alot of people dont think he deserved his title reign. And Ziggler was a WHC for 10 minutes, in a shit booked story. So, again, back to the "he's killed credible talent" argument...he just hasnt. He's squshed about 50 jobbers in 7 months, and this somehow makes him a major badass?

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So fucking what if he has a gimmick similar to Goldberg? I should hate him for that. News flash, Goldberg did his gimmick over 10 years ago. Eventually it will get repeated. Everything in pro wrestling gets recycled. Do you hate CM Punk or Dolph Ziggler because they are just the same generic heels that pretty much every other heel in the company is? O no, CM Punks current gimmick has been done in the past as well. Now I have to hate him.
I never said you had to hate him...Im saying that the guy is as overrated as it gets. It's funny how we all got on ADR last year for being handed everything he got without actually having to work for it. But here we are a year and some months later, talking about how Ryberg is the next big thing, when he hasnt earned anything that was given to him either. But hey, I guess if it's a face, we can ignore that fact, right?
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