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Raw Discussion Thread 11/12/12: THIS FUCKING COMPANY

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I can't say I share your optimism for this show. The build to Survivor Series has been a mess and one of the main events (the elimination tag) needs some serious work this episode since they already lost 1 out of 3 weeks worth of build. The least they can do in an attempt to connect the dots is refer back to this promo:

 
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If Raw doesn't send me to sleep this week, it'll be a massive bonus.

Hopefully, it being the go home show for one of the 'big four' PPVs, Lawler's return and the Brad Maddox Million Dollar contract match should maintain my interest tommorrow, and hopefully no more last minute major fucking around with the Survivor Series match card (if they do, then I'll probably respond by not paying to watch it).

I really couldn't give a fuck about who is/who isn't on Team Foley or Team Ziggler at this point as it's a feud with virtually no build or point to it whatsoever, the triple threat match is likely going to be won by Punk in some cowardly heel fashion or Super Cena (I really can't see anybody wanting a Ryback vs Rock Royal Rumble match), and because Cena is now in the championship match at Survivor Series, it's entirely possible that they'll throw the Cena/AJ/Vickie storyline underneath a bus and have Hornswoggle named as the big evil mastermind behind it all. Or something.

Basically, there's things I am interested in seeing but I'm not expecting a good show....
 
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Survivor Series just doesn't feel like a special show anymore especially with the last minute booking we get on Raw. I think the last time I was legit excited for a Survivor Series was five years ago. They hardly put much effort to make it one of "The Big 4 Shows" like the used to. It's just a bunch of matches thrown together and this year is no different. Having said that, I still think the card does look way better now that they've made the triple threat match even with everyone predicting the typical heel in triple threat match victory from Punk.

I wonder if WWE realizes Cena's got a little Survivor Series win record of 7-0? They may want to keep it alive if they feel that is important enough. Goodness knows they haven't treated Punk's run as WWE Champion which will reach one year at Survivor Series as something particularly special. If the plan is to do Punk vs. Rock at Royal Rumble, I don't see the point in breaking up the reign yet. Punk's just now getting a bit more focus these last few weeks as the top heel in the company, and that run shouldn't end just yet. It's still too early for Ryback imo. I'd rather they move him over to feud for the Smackdown title since they are so insistent in pushing him. A bit more seasoning and build could do him a world of good to decrease his chances of looking like a fool on the big stage.

Cena/Ziggler on PPV was a match I was sort of looking forward to watching until McMahon decided to flip the card around. The AJ/Vickie storyline is still shit but Ziggler "stealing the show" with the top star in the company on PPV would have been a good for him imo for some added spotlight. Maybe the next PPV. Captaining a Survivor Series team as good too if only we could say the same for the actual build. Again, they should refer to the promo from earlier this year to show Mr. MITB Ziggler who aspires to be a World Champion has disrespected legends himself much like the current WWE Champion, and how Foley will focus his attention on teaching this current generation about respect.
 
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Cena/Ziggler on PPV was a match I was sort of looking forward to watching until McMahon decided to flip the card around. The AJ/Vickie storyline is still shit but Ziggler "stealing the show" with the top star in the company on PPV would have been a good for him imo for some added spotlight. Maybe the next PPV.
I was thinking maybe Ziggler could cost Cena the match at Survivor Series & face him at TLC to tie-in everything.
 
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That's an outcome I wouldn't mind. They need to finish up this Cena/AJ/Vickie mess too. The end to it is probably going to be extremely weak and illogical. Just as long as it ends soon. I agree with a comment Starbuck made last week about the programs coming off as filler until January.
 
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The storyline with Cena/AJ/Vickie is probably going to last the rest of the year or at the very least until TLC. At which point, Cena will probably be entered into the Royal Rumble match to get a shot at the Rock at WrestleMania again. The ideal situation in regards to Vickie/AJ is that it is later revealed that Eve was the anonymous source providing Vickie with all this evidence against AJ and Cena. Which would provide the basis for AJ to start her feud with Eve and get her into the Divas division and the Divas title picture.
 
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I'm ready to see what will happen.
 
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Either im a fool or just love pro wrestling. even after ending the last 2 Weeks so bad I keep looking forward to Raw. Maybe because I got tickets to Mania and I really wanna enjoy the product. Just hoping they dont end tomorrow with Ryback looking strong again. I cant remember a time somone with no mic skills or ring skills has been booked so strong.
 
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After the talk and discussion about Linda's campaign not having an impact on Raw's creative I'm interested to see if there are any niggles of more freedoms being granted on the ground when this show airs.
 
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Another less than 5 minute job for Bryan this week as well with no promo time. Think he was reintroduced last night under the name of Eric "E-Y" Young.
 
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I'll be watching per usual. Foley and his pick will be the draw. Even with the product being weak lately, Mick is enough to peak my interest for whatever he's in.

Lets see if we'll get any decent build for the rest of the PPV. Main events are already set, but what about the forgotten undercard? Enough teams are around to make another elimination match. Oh and Cesaro will defend vs the jobber w/imaginary friend too. That's garbage though. At least he'll be fodder for Cesaro to steamroll through.

Screw the obvious random divas match that will no doubt make the card. Fingers crossed they realize it doesn't need to kill time on the PPV.
 
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The difference was that the Ryder/Kane storyline was to give Cena something to do between TLC and Elimination Chamber until the Rock would come back and his WrestleMania program with the Rock would start. Here, even if Rock returns, his focus won't be on Cena, rather it will be on CM Punk instead, so Cena wouldn't have anything to do with the Rock regardless. If anything, Ryback is the filler being used to keep Punk busy until Rock comes back.

You bring up the Cena/Kane/Ryder/Eve storyline from earlier this year, and it's kinda funny that in this current storyline Cena seems to be in the "Zack Ryder" role as the storyline seems to be more about the feud between AJ/Vickie and Cena is just being taken along for the ride, just like Ryder was taken along for the ride during the Cena/Kane feud.
 
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Announcing Rock ahead of time is great to build the suspense and hype of him appearing but at the same time, it has sure as hell left the the WWE title picture and in essence, the whole show, feeling like major filler up until it happens. We all know they aren't even trying until the Rumble lol. Double edged sword. Filler, filler, filler. Nothing really matters until Rock shows up because that's the only time they're actually going to start trying. The overwhelming sense of inevitability that Rock is going to win the title hasn't done anything to help Punk's already floundering title reign either. Rock beating Cena and then swooping in to take the title off Punk next year really will be a horrible indictment of the current generation though. Wow lol.
 
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