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Here comes the PAIN!

Okay everyone, this is your Brock Lesnar central! The next big thing is back and do we have discussion for YOU! I will try and keep a brief summary of his activity in the OP, as well as a link to each weeks series of questions/polls. I'll post the results of each poll in before asking the next question for the week.

We're all excited about the fresh direction of the WWE so let's get excited for a fresh direction of posting and discussion here!

This is to try and cut down on the crazy amount of threads that get made for redundant, previously covered or easily discussed topics.
 
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For the love of God, please let the "jobbing to wwe stars" report be bs. Cena, Triple H, and Orton (all people he's either fought or going to supoposedly fight) don't need to be put over. They are already over.

Brock beating them would've put the entire company over as legit again and having a real tough guy in their roster that draws would bring them out of their "wwe is fake, and watered down" slump (obviously it's fake but Brock being there got the people saying "it's fake" to watch again.)

Him winning is what would put everyone over and him losing is what's going to tune people out.

The match, in my opinion, should've been "utter chaos" to quote Brock, and for 99% of the match that's exactly what it was. I said he needed to destroy Cena, and destroy anyone that got in his way. He did that throughout the match, and even had other refs and medics not knowing what to do. It was chaos, and it was brilliant, up until the finish.

If they wanted Cena to hit the AA, Brock should've kicked out, popped back up and f-5'd him to win, then proceeded to beat the shit out of everyone out near the ring.

The second Cena won, and picked up the mic acting like nothing really happened, is the second they blew their load way too early.

Also, in my opinion, if they wanted Cena winning (which shouldn't have happened), Brock should've destroyed Cena to end the show last night. He should've came through the crowd and just left Cena lifeless in the middle of the ring. Laurinitus could've announced that Cena has no match at the ppv, and bye bye Cena for a few months.

If the report is true about Cena, intentionally lowering the rope, then he is the biggest piece of shit in WWE and I would lose respect for him. Bret Hart talks about no matter what your gripes are backstage and who you don't like or don't agree with, as a professional, you have to protect your opponent with your life. The whole art is making things look real but not hurting your opponent at all, and if Cena lowered the rope intentionally for Brock to fall, then he is a scumbag (not that it's true, but if it is, then yeah, complete scumbag).
 
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For the love of God, please let the "jobbing to wwe stars" report be bs. Cena, Triple H, and Orton (all people he's either fought or going to supoposedly fight) don't need to be put over. They are already over.

Brock beating them would've put the entire company over as legit again and having a real tough guy in their roster that draws would bring them out of their "wwe is fake, and watered down" slump (obviously it's fake but Brock being there got the people saying "it's fake" to watch again.)

Him winning is what would put everyone over and him losing is what's going to tune people out.

The match, in my opinion, should've been "utter chaos" to quote Brock, and for 99% of the match that's exactly what it was. I said he needed to destroy Cena, and destroy anyone that got in his way. He did that throughout the match, and even had other refs and medics not knowing what to do. It was chaos, and it was brilliant, up until the finish.

If they wanted Cena to hit the AA, Brock should've kicked out, popped back up and f-5'd him to win, then proceeded to beat the shit out of everyone out near the ring.

The second Cena won, and picked up the mic acting like nothing really happened, is the second they blew their load way too early.

Also, in my opinion, if they wanted Cena winning (which shouldn't have happened), Brock should've destroyed Cena to end the show last night. He should've came through the crowd and just left Cena lifeless in the middle of the ring. Laurinitus could've announced that Cena has no match at the ppv, and bye bye Cena for a few months.

If the report is true about Cena, intentionally lowering the rope, then he is the biggest piece of shit in WWE and I would lose respect for him. Bret Hart talks about no matter what your gripes are backstage and who you don't like or don't agree with, as a professional, you have to protect your opponent with your life. The whole art is making things look real but not hurting your opponent at all, and if Cena lowered the rope intentionally for Brock to fall, then he is a scumbag (not that it's true, but if it is, then yeah, complete scumbag).
How the fuck would Brock beating everybody in the WWE make the company look legit? Hell, you dont even want that. You want Lesnar to come in and DESTROY everybody. How the fuck would that put over the guys of today as legit stars when they are getting destroyed by guys who dont give a shit about the company? Then Lesnar leaves after his 1 year contract is over, and what are we left with? With a bunch of guys that got destroyed by a former UFC fighter. How the hell does that make them and the WWE look legit. It basically says that they are fake fake fake, and a former UFC fighter, who wasnt even that great of a fighter can come in and destroy their top stars like they were nothing, and then leave.

Yes, it would be cool to see Lesnar destory people, but I want to keep watching WWE after Lesnar leaves in a year, and I dont want to see a bunch of midcarders who couldnt hang in there with the big dogs.

I don't see how anyone in WWE could be surprised at this. They know how unpredictable Lesnar is, and he really does seem to have a short fuse. It's an awful idea to have him in WWE trying to work a UFC style, but if they insist on doing it they should at least make it look convincing. If he'd delivered a legit performance in UFC similar to what he did to Cena on Sunday night the opponent would be completely destroyed. For them to have Cena take such a beating, then win the match out of nowhere just with a punch to the face and an AA, and THEN have him cut a promo is just ridiculous. Anyone who thought SuperCena had gone away was unfortunately very, very wrong. And why does Cena get to have another feud with such a big star anyway? He's already had The Rock and Triple H in the last few months. Jesus christ, use all these comebacks to build some new stars ffs.
Stop making it seem like it was just a punch and an AA. It was a punch wrapped in a steel chain, and an AA on the steel steps. Seems like a believable finish.
 
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WWE looks legitimate now only because Brock is here... when he fights it looks real and intense.

To think they actually can "legitimize" their current roster by allowing them to beat Brock is unreal. Because should Brock one day be not around, everyone will forget or ignore the fact that this guy actually once beat Brock.

Anyway why do HHH need any legitimacy? lol... he's already a WWE legend, if he fights Brock, it is more like a treat.
 
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im very disappointed in how lesnar is being handled creatively (what a surprise, the writing team dropping the ball repeatedly, right?) and how it's being executed in front of the cameras

if triple h's arm was really broken, no one would be touching it the way kofi was, things like that. now wwe has written itself into a corner where hunter can't go into the ring for a few months leaving no way for lesnar being "so brutal" to be resolved except for "disciplining" him. how ridiculous. heel beats down face and gets heat, face eventually wins in the end after multiple confrontations. how can you do that if the face has a 'broken arm?' can't wwe generate heat for lesnar in the way heels always generate heat? does he have to 'injure' people 'for real'?

lesnar could have been built up, instead wwe has decided the way to go is to tear him down. great job creative.
 
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Big Backstage Update on Brock Lesnar: Temper Tantrum, Heat w/ WWE Officials, More...

After last night's edition of WWE Monday Night Raw where Brock Lesnar assaulted WWE COO Triple H, Lesnar has been written out of WWE storylines for the time being and it's uncertain when exactly he'll be back. Ringside commentators Michael Cole and Jerry "The King" Lawler heavily suggested that Lesnar would/should be fired for his actions.

At this time, Brock Lesnar's future with WWE is very uncertain and has been described as being a "sticky situation." He didn't make any friends backstage at the Extreme Rules pay-per-view either, despite having a well-received match with John Cena.

Lesnar apparently went nuts backstage and threw a temper tantrum because he was upset about the whole match. Allegedly, the original plan was for Lesnar to physically destroy Cena and have Cena get carried out of the arena on a stretcher, making Lesnar look like a dominant force. But because Cena picked up the victory and was able to stand up and give a speech after the match, Lesnar feels that WWE made Lesnar look weak.

Lesnar also accused Cena of trying to blow out Lesnar's knee when Cena pulled down the top ring rope at some point during the match where both Cena and Lesnar fell outside to the floor.

There are some people backstage in WWE who suspected that Lesnar's temper tantrum backstage was all part of an act to make WWE officials bend over backwards for him and give him whatever he wants. He allegedly tore up the backstage area in a fit of rage that some people thought was all part of a performace to try to intimidate WWE officials into meeting his demands.

As of right now, a match between Brock Lesnar and Triple H is being planned for the 2012 SummerSlam pay-per-view, but it was also previously reported that Lesnar would be engaging in a feud against Randy Orton. These plans have seemingly been called off, at least for right now.

And as for Lesnar's longterm future with WWE, he might or might not participate at the 2013 Royal Rumble PPV, but he is definitely still expected to participate at WrestleMania 29 in 2013. After that though, there is a good chance that Lesnar will probably be finished with WWE.
 
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The WWE really are going all out for Brock Lesnar aren't they! The way they had him attack HHH last night and "break his arm" was classic! I'm loving the way they are using these little things from MMA/UFC and installing them into the current product when it comes to Lesnar. Everything from his in-ring gear to the sit down interview, the way the commentators presented the match with Cena at Extreme Rules and more recently the camera shot where he supposedly broke HHH's arm last night. So simple yet very effective!
 
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More on Brock

As seen on RAW last night, WWE temporarily wrote Brock Lesnar out of the storylines by having his contract status "up in the air" following the attack on Triple H in the opener. WWE's announcers stressed that Lesnar's future is in doubt with the company. WWE only has Lesnar for several dates per month and will have to come up with creative ways to keep him in and out of the storylines.

We noted earlier that Brock Lesnar had a meltdown backstage after his loss to John Cena at Extreme Rules. Lesnar was upset about Cena's post-match promo because the original plan had Cena getting stretchered out. Lesnar felt that he was made to look weak and WWE officials double crossed him.

F4Wonline.com reports that WWE's new mentality with Lesnar is that they're paying a lot of money for a guy who is not their top guy, so he should be used when he can to put over their top talents. People in Lesnar's camp were feeling like WWE was just testing Lesnar by having Cena cut the post-match speech.

Brock was told before the Extreme Rules match that Cena would go out on a stretcher and look totally incapacitated and be injured. Lesnar went nuts backstage in front of everyone, tearing things up and throwing a tantrum. Lesnar specifically yelled at Marc Carano, the assistant to John Laurinaitis, about how things are a mess and everything is wrong in WWE. Some felt that part of the tantrum was just an act by Lesnar to show to the locker room that he could quit at any minute. Some of those same people felt that WWE officials could have been involved in Lesnar trying to work the other talents.

Lesnar also suggested that Cena intentionally pulled down the top rope at Extreme Rules, causing him to nearly blow out his knee in the bad spot towards the end of the match where they both tumbled over to the floor. Again, most believe that there is no real heat between Cena and Lesnar over this and this also could have been part of an act by Lesnar.

Despite what's an act and what's part of the TV storylines, sources insist that Lesnar's status and future with WWE is a sticky situation. While Lesnar vs. Triple H is in the works for SummerSlam, some in the company are already predicting that he will end up working the remaining big pay-per-view events of 2012, Royal Rumble 2013 and then WrestleMania 29 before being done with the company.

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It's alright to use him to put over talents, but you don't achieve that by having him lose to John Cena right off the heels of his return. Not only that, but having John Cena talk about how he's going to be away for a while, and not only that, but by putting john cena in a fucking match at the very next pay per view, acting as if nothing happened to him at all. Brock has the right to be upset. Why does Cena need to be put over again?
 
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It's alright to use him to put over talents, but you don't achieve that by having him lose to John Cena right off the heels of his return. Not only that, but having John Cena talk about how he's going to be away for a while, and not only that, but by putting john cena in a fucking match at the very next pay per view, acting as if nothing happened to him at all. Brock has the right to be upset. Why does Cena need to be put over again?
THINK ABOUT THE CHILDREN!!!!!!!!!!!!
 
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Well, I think the ending to Brock/Cena would have been better had Cena been stretchered out (he could still win, ala Taker/HHH). Lesnar definitely does not need to lose to HHH or Orton though. Have him kill off them both, win the title in late 2012/early 2013, then drop it at WM to whoever (whether it be Rock or Cena).

That "tantrum" though, that smells like a work to me....
 
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The first few minutes after Cena won I was pissed But then I was alright with it&explained my reasons many times,I got over it&moved on,Now IF this story is true then I'd be pissed too!!!

The Brock&Trips segment was awesome to me But IF they wrote him off then I sure hope it's only until OTL(he can do an appearance and maybe help Lauranitis),Him being used just to put over people is a big Hell to the No to me!!
 
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If Brock is just being used to put over people who don't need to be put over there is absolutely no hope for this company and it wouldn't surprise me if they go out of business by 2020.
 
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If Brock is just being used to put over people who don't need to be put over there is absolutely no hope for this company and it wouldn't surprise me if they go out of business by 2020.
IF WWF/E can survive over 50 years..They can survive this!!
 
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I think its amusing that this crazy old man would pay a man more money than any other guy on his roster, only have him work limited dates, and setting the precedent with allowing him to have sponsors, just to get a degree of revenge on him and the UFC.
 
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I'm done with just abusing the WWE for their lack of competence in how to use Lesnar for now, but all I can say is that they've got a huge star and a potentially huge draw on their hands, and I hope for the fans sake they start to make the most of him and use him properly, because Brock Lesnar has the potential to take WWE to the next level in every sense.
 
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I'm done with just abusing the WWE for their lack of competence in how to use Lesnar for now, but all I can say is that they've got a huge star and a potentially huge draw and their hands, and I hope for the fans sake they start to make the most of him and use him properly, because Brock Lesnar has the potential to take WWE to the next level in every sense.
I would agree with this completely if he was signed for longer than just 1 year, that 1 year time frame just throws a wrench into everything for the WWE and really makes them have to be careful on how the book Lesnar. They have to balance keeping Lesnar's monster status valid with not making thier entire full-time roster look like complete losers next to him b/c they will need some guys with credibility left on the roster after Brock leaves again after WM29.
 
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Brock has every right to be pissed off, they killed him with one match, they killed the entire storyline, hell, they killed The Rock's storyline for WM next year in NY. Pathetic. I lost a lot of respect for Vince after this move, it's obvious that he did it just to show that WWE >>> UFC in a stupid way without realizing that he could make 10 times the amount and get his "revenge" after that. The Cena promo after the 20 minutes beatdown did even more damage to Brock and was just another desperate attempt from WWE to get him sympathy because he's not going to take a break and all this BS he said, just another lame "you need to respect Cena" manipulation and naive marks actually bought it. I don't know about the ropes spot but maybe Brock has a point there.

HHH needs to job clean at Summerslam, although I know that it's not happening, they already ruined everything, WWE are hopeless, can't wait for the Vince interview on why they went out of business.
 
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I think we have to wait for the Extreme Rules buyrate before we start talking about all the potential fans Brock brought back.
Agreed but I wouldn't judge it by one buyrate. The fact is, people I know that haven't watched since becoming UFC fanatics came back to watch him. It may not have been all the former wwe fans that watch UFC now, but over time, Brock going down a path of destruction during this run would've brought a ton of UFC fans back, guaranteed. now that he's lost already, why would any of them want to come back and watch again? His whole draw on this comeback was based off him being legit, and him losing right away makes no business sense. The way I laid it out, and the way others have, I think would've been the right way to go and would've pulled in a lot of former fans.
 
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The backstage stuff is all a work.

Regardless, though, if the only way to get the UFC crowd to watch is to have ex-UFC champions come in and cut the WWE guys hard-way with legit elbows to the head ... that's not a sustainable strategy. Pretty sure the idea is to cut back on concussions. Lesnar elbows to the head are the opposite.
 
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I've posted this in a couple other threads but thinking about this more, IF (still not sold on that being the case) the plan is to use Lesnar to put over some of the WWE guys then I think that Lesnar may actually hav a couple matches before he faces HHH that he goes over in.

I am thinking Big Show will be one of these guys for sure that Lesnar beats.
 
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The plan to put over is BS, even 2012 "WWE>>UFC" Vince is not that stupid. He signed for 30-40 dates, wrestle on the big 4 and most of them from January 2013 to WM29. HHH at Summerslam, Orton at SVS, probably the Rumble match and Rock/Taker at WM29.
 
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Can't believe how quickly they've fucked up Lesnar's return. He should have been built as a beast that no one could beat and what do they do? Have him lose his FIRST MATCH BACK at a fucking B-PPV. Not only that but they have Cena shrug off the beating Brock gave him to give his usual bullshit speech at the end.

Where is the appeal now? Why should we want to see Brock again? Oooh, because he 'broke Triple H's arm'. Riiiiiight. I look forward to Trips putting himself over at Summerslam so that WWE can someone prove they are better than UFC.
 
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Can't believe how quickly they've fucked up Lesnar's return. He should have been built as a beast that no one could beat and what do they do? Have him lose his FIRST MATCH BACK at a fucking B-PPV. Not only that but they have Cena shrug off the beating Brock gave him to give his usual bullshit speech at the end.

Where is the appeal now? Why should we want to see Brock again? Oooh, because he 'broke Triple H's arm'. Riiiiiight. I look forward to Trips putting himself over at Summerslam so that WWE can someone prove they are better than UFC.
So true.

Had people trying to say it was the right thing to do.

A blind monkey could see it was bullshit.

You have Brock just destroy everyone he comes across. Which leads to people wanting to see who can stop the beast. They have him lose on his return match for no reason at ALL. I can't think of one solid good reason why Cena had to beat Brock Lesnar in his first match back.

Cena is back to his goofy smiling ass self now. He'll take care of Johnny Ace, then what?
 
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No matter how you put it, Cena killed Brocks momentum by showing up on Raw last night like nothing happened, with a muscle strain and a smile.
 
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No matter how you put it, Cena killed Brocks momentum by showing up on Raw last night like nothing happened, with a muscle strain and a smile.
This is exactly my problem and i cant see why people have a hard time understanding. Cena got fucking murdered by Lesnar and right after he laughs jokes and no sells it, THIS IS WHY FANS HATE HIM...he has no fucking psychology nor the intelligence to sell the fucking beatdown.
 
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