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**The Official Raw Ratings Thread** (Discuss Ratings In Here)

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#1 · (Edited by Moderator)
For a list of the weekly rating dating back to January, please click here:

http://www.gerweck.net/tv-ratings/2012-tv-ratings/

RATINGS BREAKDOWN FOR THIS WEEKS RAW 4/9

Raw on 4/9 did a 3.10 rating and 4.29 million viewers. The show was third for the night on cable. The show did a 2.4 in Males 12-17, 2.7 in Males 18-49, 1.0 in Girls 12-17 and 1.1 in Women 18-49 with a 69.3% male skew. It was down 21% from the 5.46 million viewers of the week after Mania show last year, and last year there was no bombshell along the lines of the Brock Lesnar return on the night after Mania show.

In the segment-by-segment, Brodus Clay & Santino Marella vs. Dolph Ziggler & Jack Swagger lost 99,000 viewers.

Backstage with Laurinaitis with Miz an Cena, Marella looking for the Three Stooges and R-Truth vs. Cody Rhodes gained 255,000 viewers.

Lord Tensai vs. Yoshi Tatsu lost 415,000 viewers.

The mic work between C.M. Punk and Chris Jericho in the top of the hour segment gained 379,000 viewers to a 3.19.

Punk vs. Henry and the post-match with Jericho pouring beer all over Punk, as well as the quick Del Rio vs. Ryder match lost 169,000 viewers.

The Three Stooges in-ring segment lost 240,000 viewers and was the low point of the show at 2.90.

The Brock Lesnar interview gained 423,000 viewers.

And the Cena vs. Otunga match with Lesnar run-in gained 301,000 viewers, which is a very weak overrun number, finishing at 3.42.
 
#3,836 ·
-- Vince McMahon's return to television on next Monday's RAW SuperShow is being done in response to the program's disappointing ratings figures in recent weeks. He will kick off the three-hour show with an evaluation of John Laurinaitis's job performance as General Manager of RAW and SmackDown, which company officials are hopeful will boost first hour viewership.

Source: The Wrestling Observer Newsletter
 
#3,840 ·
:lmao :lmao

I haven't watched or read about wrasslin' since Mania and I thought I would come back to the forum to check on how the ol' sports entertainment game was going.

From reading some threads, let me get this straight: Orton is suspended for 60 days, Jericho has left the company again, AJ LEE is some kind of main character, Cena is still the same guy he's always been, Cena is feuding with Michael Cole, the massive toolbox known as CM Punk is still the WWE champion and Daniel Bryan is a main character on the show.

What the fuck is going on and why are any of you still watching? :lmao :lmao
 
#3,841 ·
Well, to be fair, Alberto Del Rio has become the top heel of Smackdown in spite of his eternally lukewarm-at-best reactions, becoming Sheamus's most direct adversary on that brand.

Also, don't forget--The Miz is making The Marine 3 and The Big Show turned heel for the 8,000th time. :)
 
#3,846 ·
I guess an ok rating by modern standards. Reading Punks tweet posted here I think he does blame the ratings on himself to some degree as he took it personal, his excuse doesn't really add up considering that he was the first guy to say that Kevin Nash is a ratings killer and that him beeing WWE champion would make WWE prosper and "cool again" back last summer. I also don't think Micheals was that bad of a draw like him, HBK went up against Nitro and nWo pretty much by himself, I don't think he drew that bad on his own behalf considering how many guys he was up against. I doubt WWE would draw the numbers they do now if there was competition like WCW around, so imo Punk is overrating his drawing ability by putting himself up there with HBK.

I'm obviously not blaming the low rating of a two hour show on a guy that gets misused badly despite beeing the WWE champion (quite a rare combination) and put in random segments, but I'm critisizing the way he wrote that tweet makes it seem as if he tries to compensate for his low ratings by beeing "entertaining" as he said it which imo makes him look bad, hypocritical and arrogant (due to the HBK comparision) at the same time. He's a pretty bad spokesperson imo, he needs to learn to present himself better instead of getting cornered like that. He should have said that ratings are the average of all quarter hours (which is true) and not all on him or something but alas, he just owned himself for no reason.

On another note, isn't WWEs big storyline coming up next week? I wouldn't be surprised if it creates some buzz like the Summer of Punk/Nexus storyline etc.
 
#3,847 ·
Guys watching streams because they don't want to be 60 bucks a month for cable when they can pay 30 bucks a month for internet and still stream cable.

Hi!

8*D

NBA playoffs

DVRing

Waiting for it to show on Youtube or Dailymotion

NHL Playoffs

CM Punk and Daniel Bryan can't draw...when they got 12 minutes in the 9 o clock crossover but Cena got 20 minutes to open and close the show with Michale Cole being featured throughout the show. Michael Cole got more screen time than the WWE champ. RATINGZ! 8*D
 
#3,849 ·
I don't think the internet excuse can work anymore. Streams and all that technological shit has been around for years now (7 at least) and yet the amount of money made off fans becomes lower and lower with each passing year. The show just sucks, I don't blame one person in specific, it's just uninteresting and horrible.

I wonder how low they can set the bar for ratings before they realize it's time to change something. A while back, 3.0 was considered 'panic zone' and now it seems like it's a miracle if the ratings reach that area.

With all that said, I have to laugh at Punk's bitterness in regards to the horrible ratings. Like most people that defend him, his response is "Why do you care?", which means no excuses.
 
#3,851 ·
The ironic part is that despite the internet streams and DVR, general TV viewership is MUCH higher than it was in the past, there's just far more people into medias than in the past as a whole. For example during the AE, a 5.0 meant 5million viewers, nowadays a 3.5 means around the same number of viewers on mondays which means that there's more people watching TV overall. You can say that DVRs and youtube affect all TV shows equally, so it creates an even playing field, you can't really make those excuses for WWE but pretend like other shows aren't affected by it.

I'm a regular viewer and the show is simply not interesting, the only thing that gets my interest is the Bryan/Punk/Kane storyline ( the only interesting storyline atm) and the ME and even that is getting my attention for all the wrong reasons. I lold how Ziggler went from becoming a badass one week to returning to the showoff gimmick on Monday for no reason, way to drop the ball WWE. VERY disappointing character progression, I guess WWE have no idea what to do with the poor guy now, I actually got slightly pissed at this since I wanted to see intense Ziggler more.
 
#3,850 ·
The ratings drop is definitely down to the poorness of the current product, this week is probably the first time in about 18months I haven't watched the show and just read the results because I can't justify to myself sitting through it, if someone like me who loves wrestling is doing that then of course the casual fans will be doing it aswell

the most alarming thing I think for WWE though is the viewership falling in the second hour, this blows away all the excuses of DVR, internet etc and shows that people just aren't interested in the show
 
#3,852 ·
The internet/streaming/downloading/torrents have been around for nearly a decade now, its not an excuse that can be used.

The product is poor and people are simply turning off.

Wrestling just isn't hot anymore, people are not interested. TNA has exactly the same problems, and impact has been mostly rather good in 2012.
 
#3,854 ·
When exactly did streams start to exist? I first got internet back in 2005 (Survivor Series time) and found streams here and there but the ones I used (for other things as I wasn't into wrestling then) were low quality. Did they exist before 2005?

And I agree with wrestling simply losing popularity. It seems to have become less and less popular since 2002 when they became WWE and Austin/Rock stopped being around all that much. Then the PG rating drove away even more traditional fans, evidenced by the (lack of) Cena hate that was toned down immensely compared to 2006 and 2007.
 
#3,855 ·
Torrents, Streams etc were all there when RAW was drawing 3.5-4.0 on a weekly basis just in 2009. So this is not even worth discussion. The people who aren't able to watch on TV, aren't going to affect the number anyway. It's just the worst roster of all time with a bunch of horrible, boring, uncharismatic, unappealing performers in a stale environment. Not that hard to figure.

Imagine a tremendous talent like Bully Ray on RAW? working with big crowds? so much potential. Bully Ray vs Randy Orton for a big PPV would have been amazing.
 
#3,856 ·
Imagine a tremendous talent like Bully Ray on RAW? working with big crowds? so much potential. Bully Ray vs Randy Orton for a big PPV would have been amazing.
Bully Ray wouldn't be Bully Ray in this WWE. His promos would be less intense so as to not scare the kids and he'd have to resort to typical crappy chickenshit heel tactics.
 
#3,857 ·
Streams existed in 2006-2007 and Raw ratings were in the 4s. It's NOT an excuse especially when the 2nd hour rating is down from the first. Didn't the Super Bowl get a 47.8 rating? Streams a-plenty back in February.

The product just sucks. It's too childish, bland and boring. The presentation is sterile. The format is too formulaic. The booking is absolutely moronic. Storylines are dropped and forgotten for no good reason. There's too much filler and pointless comedy. The same people(Cena) are always the focal point of the show. The star-power isn't there. The wrestlers aren't trying hard enough. It needs an overhaul because the ratings aren't going to jump to a 5 overnight.
 
#3,858 ·
Despite the falling rating im still impressed that they are still drawing somewhat decent crowds. Its not like back in 2004 when not even guys like Triple H, Shawn Michaels, The Undertaker, Goldberg, Brock Lesnar, Kurt Angle etc couldnt get people to come to the arena and watch them wrestle.
 
#3,863 ·
Ratings and shit. TEH QTER HOUR BREAKDOWN!

Wrestling Observer

Raw on 6/4 did a 2.92 rating and 4.28 million viewers. The show was only fifth for the night on cable. The biggest competition was the Oklahoma City Thunder vs. San Antonio Spurs NBA playoff semifinal head-to-head which did a 6.32 rating and 8.51 million viewers. Game three of the Stanley Cup finals, on NBC Sports (formerly Versus) did a 1.5 rating and 1.74 million viewers, which for a comparison is what Urijah Faber and Jens Pulver were doing on that station on a worse night of the week a few years back. An interesting note regarding Memorial Day and this week is that during the Raw hours on Memorial Day there were 71.11 million U.S. homes watching television. On 6/4, there were 71.23 million, or almost identical, so it not being Memorial Day isn’t why the rating was up. It was a combination of no Hatfields & McCoys and perhaps a show where John Cena was plugged heavily, although the rating was at the low end of the usual average.

As far as demos went, the show did 2.5 in Boys 12-17 (up 14%), 2.4 in Males 18-49 (same as last week), 0.9 in Girls 12-17 (up 50%) and 1.2 in Girls 18-49 (up 20%). That’s the difference between Cena and non-Cena, is Cena draws girls at a level nobody else on Raw does. The male skew was 67.8%

As far as ratings pattern, there was a lot that wasn’t good. The show started out strong for the Cena promo doing a 3.27 first quarter, but it dropped from there and never came back. What makes this bad is that this was a show booked for train wreck ratings, in the sense the whole thing was to build up Cena getting his hands on Michael Cole. Coming off the low rating, they did little for the PPV and just tried to get Cena all over the show and do all the tricks like the heel in his underwear being humiliated. It wasn’t to build programs but just to get that "we can’t turn away from this" mentality that has in the past been effective in drawing ratings. But it didn’t appear to work this time. The overrun with Cena vs. Cole, that they had built the whole show for, ended up being weak. In the segment-by-segment, Cole trying to get out of the match talking to Laurinaitis and the beginning of Sheamus vs. Dolph Ziggler lost 753,000 viewers, which is awful and points to the Cole thing not working this time. Can’t say much for Sheamus and Ziggler either. Although the finish of their match, the post-match beatdown by Alberto Del Rio, and Sin Cara vs. Hunico gained 302,000 viewers. Ryback’s debut on Raw in the handicap match lost 298,000 viewers. C.M. Punk vs. Kane in the 10 p.m. hour gained 340,000. The first part of the match did a 2.93 quarter and the finish got up to a 3.02. It’s a little less than an average gain for that slot but better than Punk has been doing of late. Kofi Kingston & R-Truth vs. Tyler Reks & Curt Hawkins lost 646,000 viewers. John Cena vs. Tensai gained 514,000 viewers, which is super strong for the 10:45 p.m. quarter. And Cena vs. Cole gained 299,000 viewers, which is weak for the overrun, but perhaps misleading in the sense the people who usually come in for the overrun came back early I guess due to Cena being in a match. But the overrun only did a 3.14 quarter.

By demo, this was the Cena gain at the end. Teenage boys went from 2.2 to 2.7. 18-49 men from 2.0 to 2.5. Teenage girls went from 0.8 to 1.3 and 18-49 women from 1.0 to 1.3.
 
#3,865 · (Edited)
Lol I guess no millions for Cole. Anyways the CM Punk vs Kane match actually was interesting especially towards the end when you had AJ and Bryan interfere, which explain why it did better than usual and considering a commerical break was in between the match. Sin Cara is like the new Rey Mysterio and I am not surprised he gained since more kids probably watched this episode of RAW while the men watched the play-offs. Rybacks debut didn't do so well. I am shocked Tensai drew viewers with Cena, but like I said kids wanting to see Cenas 1 week return lol probably caused that viewer gain.

But overall nothing to be excited over.
 
#3,869 ·
LAST WEEKS NUMBERS FOR MEMORIAL DAY
Segment Breakdown

In the segment-by-segment, Alberto Del Rio vs. Santino Marella lost 733,000 viewers, which is awful for that spot in the show, doing a 2.52 rating (second lowest quarter hour on a regular non-holiday Raw show of the last 14 years, ahead of only a 2.47 quarter on the 9/12 show for a Kofi Kingston vs. Miz match).

Kingston & R-Truth defending the tag titles against Dolph Ziggler & Jack Swagger gained 67,000 viewers.

A John Laurinaitis interview with C.M. Punk coming out talking the video game gained 356,000 viewers.

Punk vs. Daniel Bryan lost 30,000 viewers to a 2.79 quarter in the 10 p.m. segment which is terrible for that point in the show.

The Punk-Bryan post-match with Kane and Christian vs. The Miz lost 13,000 viewers.

A backstage skit with Laurinaitis, Eve Torres, David Otunga and Teddy Long, a Miz interview and the Memorial Day video with Cena lost 342,000 viewers to a 2.53 quarter.

Sheamus vs. Otunga gained 116,000 viewers.

And the final segment where Big Show destroyed Brodus Clay, Kingston and R-Truth gained 436,000 viewers and did a 2.91 overrun.
 
#3,873 ·
Memorial Day Breakdown:

Q1 - 3.03 rating / 4.35 million
Q2 - 2.52 rating / 3.61 million
Q3 - 2.56 rating / 3.68 million
Q4 - 2.81 rating / 4.04 million
Q5 - 2.79 rating / 4.01 million
Q6 - 2.77 rating / 3.99 million
Q7 - 2.53 rating / 3.65 million
Q8 - 2.61 rating / 3.77 million
Overrun - 2.91 rating / 4.20 million

Evil me was hoping that Q1 was under a 3.0 rating, but it just scraped above it. Extremely bad breakdown though. I don't think Punk did too badly - after all he did recover half of the loss from Q1 in Q4, which stabilised things a bit before another plummet in Q7.
 
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