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post #8851 of 9175 (permalink) Old 12-15-2012, 10:27 AM
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One thing that should be noted from either viewpoints of the "bring back old talent vs improve the current show" argument is how so many believe it's simply a matter of doing so and everything will be fine. Well, it's not totally implausible, although I highly doubt viewers will come flooding back in a short matter of time. Quality shows don't necessarily mean an immediate increase (not talking about what one's definition if 'quality' is, anyway), nor is bringing back talent like the Rock going to fix the haemorrhaging all the damn time.

What WWE needs is patience and diligence. I think they're showing signs of both recently, but we know how the word 'sustainment' hasn't been apart of their vocabulary in recent times. Patience is something a lot of this forum's posters should have as well, as I worry that all this talk about ratings and so forth drives them into this philosophy of "why isn't this wrestler/angle drawing viewers NOW!? Scrap the thing, it obviously ain't working three weeks into its duration!"

Things have to take time, particularly now when viewers have been told what to expect of the current talent pool and have looked to be fairly unimpressed all throughout the board. This 'improvement' will require work, so don't expect instantaneous results to appear overnight.

I agree with you on some points, but they've been too scared to take risks and they've been too patient.
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post #8852 of 9175 (permalink) Old 12-15-2012, 11:17 AM
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That's what I meant, WWE will understand or think they understand the problem once those short term mega star draws leave and things begin to dip again. They need to invest more in the talent that they have. They failed big time with the fresh talent they were getting in 2009 and 2010 by cutting off so many pushes and killing so many story lines.
Which is one thing that makes me wonder if the Rock just might be laying down at the Rumble.
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Which is one thing that makes me wonder if the Rock just might be laying down at the Rumble.
Punk is top heel right now, and him going over the Rock would set up a HUGE win for the rumble winner going into Mania. That is if WWE decides they want Cena vs Rock 2.

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I have to be honest, much like the music industry, I preferred pro-wrestling when everyone was on cocaine & other various forms of drugs. This fucking era of Twitter & video games is awful. These are supposed to be larger-than-life characters, not everyday normal mother-fuckers like you & me.
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post #8856 of 9175 (permalink) Old 12-15-2012, 09:16 PM
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I have to be honest, much like the music industry, I preferred pro-wrestling when everyone was on cocaine & other various forms of drugs. This fucking era of Twitter & video games is awful. These are supposed to be larger-than-life characters, not everyday normal mother-fuckers like you & me.
Being superficial there. Even if they were binging on all sorts of concoctions nowadays, it won't suddenly make the incoherent booking and uninspired writing magically improve. It'll be mildly amusing watching guys completely hammered stumble through weekly shows, true, but not much beyond that.

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I agree with you on some points, but they've been too scared to take risks and they've been too patient.
I agree that they've been far too safe. All this reliance on building Cena over the past however-many years has left them high-and-dry in terms of making other stars, which is a result of being too precious about things.

However, patience is what they do need with some guys. Suddenly rushing back to how things were, if results aren't there instantly, is taking the safe, well-trodden route that likely won't be sustainable for the future anyway.

Then again, that isn't taking into account how people respond to the way management handle performers. They were obviously wanting Del Rio to be something, but that won't work out. They were patient to a degree, but evidently didn't have their heart in it.

Frankly, all it boils down to is improving the quality and having enough faith to stick with it.
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Being superficial there. Even if they were binging on all sorts of concoctions nowadays, it won't suddenly make the incoherent booking and uninspired writing magically improve. It'll be mildly amusing watching guys completely hammered stumble through weekly shows, true, but not much beyond that.
Are you kidding me? Did you see any promo from the 80's? Ric Flair & Hulk Hogan made a living off of cocaine-fueled promos. I would gladly take that shit back. Shit, I just want to see the wrestlers living the lifestyle again instead of it just being a job. All this crap that humanizes wrestlers & kills kayfabe has destroyed the mystique of wrestling. Put the veil back up, I don't want to know The Wizard of Oz is just a broken down old man.
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Perhaps I did mince my words when I said they'd stumble, although the chances of that happening in such an era of notoriously heavy management would be pretty high compared to those cut during yesteryear (many of which I haven't seen, so if I'm wrong on how I'd imagine things were run then please let me know). And of course, coke's one hell of a drug. Again though, I'd query if many fans today would be praising the etherial energy summoned by someone like Warrior and not choosing to speculate on how many rails he did that morning.

That's just being semantic and smart-aleccy on my part though. What I'm interesting in is why you want to see them live that silly lifestyle as if it will solve this issue of complacency. I've seen you be very vocal about how apathy is killing the business, but the truth is that there's a stack of problems that are being radiated from our television sets straight to our field of vision, as opposed to something that might, theoretically, be dragging wrestler morale down backstage.

The core one, as covered weekly in this thread, is how things are being handled these days. It wouldn't matter if it was just a job to some of the guys and gals, because the issue of 'importance going missing' is one that management is responsible for. Titles, wins, losses, gimmicks, characters. There aren't any levels of importance to these things. Either they're treated as the biggest, most important thing in the world, to the point where they're overexposed to the point of lunacy, or they're the equivalent of dirt in comparison. You said it yourself as have many, many others that WWE can't make things matter.

I do agree with you that the mystique is gone. It's been long gone for a while for many, though, and I'd imagine it would take something special for someone like you or me to get wrapped up in someone's act. Twitter is a problem to the integrity of the profession (even though it doesn't have to be), but that's undoubtedly what's being done as a result of what the company wants. That's their f'n problem if they want to undermine their own work. However, a lot of fans don't see WWE superstars as wrestlers more than entertainers, so it isn't that big a step away from their goal.
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Eh, I still think good wrestling is there. It's just from the guys that are good. Like, John Cena Vs. Brock Lesnar drew me in. I wasn't watching that match & thinking about snowflakes or anything, I was just drawn-in. Same with Shawn/Taker (both times). The good performers can still make me care. There's an emotional connection to their matches because they make you buy into it & turn into an everyday mark all over again. That feeling is what wrestling is all about. It's FUN. I LOVED the Cena/Batista Last Man Standing match & thought the duct tape finish was genius. I know it is not everyone's cup of tea but I really dug that. That match drew me in too. I have been watching wrestling for like twenty-five years or something silly now, so it's not very often when I see something that I have never seen before!

They happen a lot less frequently now but they do still happen. So it is definitely still possible for me to get wrapped up in a story or a character. The problem lately has been the ability to sustain it. I definitely cared about Nexus after their debut. I cared about Punk after his shoot promo. I am sort of interested in The Shield right now. There is just not a lot of faith in WWE to not drop the ball anymore, ya know? It's...sad.
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CM chimp wins the championship= lower ratings.
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