Don't sit here and tell me that you can refute the inring comparison because you don't feel it's fair. You're either good in the ring or you're not. The Big Show is even bigger than Nash and in his prime was twice or more the inring talent than Nash ever was. Saying Shawn is that much better than Punk is another example of blindly disregarding a wrestler you hate's ability. Punk is probably better than HBK ever was on the mic, and isn't too far behind him in charisma either. Hbk has him beat easily in the ring but Punk's a lot more comparable with him then with Kevin Nash. Their skill sets are a lot more alike than that of Nash.
As far as you shitting on the ROH Raven promo and comparing it to an emo screaming to get attention. Well I'm afraid we'll have to just agree to disagree there because that's one of the most passionate and intense story driven promos I've ever seen, so we'll never agree on him as a mic worker if that's your feelings on it.
But it is NOT fair. When you are taller, it's a lot harder to move and they wrestle different styles. To go back to the comparison I made, you can't hate on The Great Khali's limitations just because he can't move as fast as Rey Mysterio. You have to have a criteria for each category. But for Diesel's size, I think he's been a decent in-ring competitor in his peak.
How am I "blindly disregarding" Punk's abilities? You do realize it's SHAWN MICHAELS we're talking about, right? A top 10 great so it's not like Punk should be embarrassed just because he doesn't possess 1/10th of Shawn's talent. And I disagree completely. Shawn's 1997 heel promos or the ones with Hulk Hogan are better than anything that ever came out of Punk's mouth. And I can't even compare them when it comes to charisma because Punk simply doesn't have much. It's covered up by how much of a loudmouth he is, though. Shawn oozed charisma just by walking down the ramp.
And yes, whatever you say on the last part. To me, I see no intensity. When I see that Punk promo, he sounds like an emo who just had a terrible breakup with the only ever person who wanted to be his significant other and that has made him a depressed screamer.
I think what bothers me most about C.M. Punk is that it is painfully obvious that he is about as far away from an athlete as you can be. Like, everything he does is awkward. Run, jump, etc. He's just an awkward kind of guy. You can tell that he's a book geek that probably didn't play a lot of sports. Meanwhile, although limited by his size, Nash did play ball & was at least an athlete prior to getting into wrestling.
It's why a lot of the stuff that Punk does, like his top rope elbow, look so funky & awkward. It bothers me because it looks more like he's role-playing being a wrestler instead of feeling like a wrestler. I don't have the suspension of disbelief that I should for his matches.
Agreed completely. Have you seen him do a Dropkick? Or Jericho's Springboard Dropkick? Or the more usual Suicide Dive? His execution of those moves is extremely awkward. Compare his Suicide Dive to Benoit or D-Bryan's and they'll wipe the floor with his version. Or look at Ziggler/Orton/Bob Holly do a Dropkick then look at Punk. (hell, Punk did it once in a match with Ziggler which takes guts since Ziggler makes his look like shit)
It's like he's jogging when he should be running as much as he can. I guess he needs to trim some of that fat and spend a bit of time inside the gyms instead of reading comic books.